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Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:09 pm

Just heard this on CNN: a DHL plane flying into Baghdad was hit by a missile on approach, the - fortunately - only damage seems to have been a burning engine...

Has anybody heard anything further about this?
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:15 pm

Must be new.

Just checked CNN"s website and nothing.
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:21 pm

It is new, on CNNI they're also just repeating the single line message - essentially what I wrote above, and the first time they mentioned it is now about 11 minutes ago...
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:25 pm

Here's the BBCs one liner:
"Civilian plane lands safely in Baghdad after an 'in-flight emergency'. More soon."

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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:26 pm

Hmm. Nothing on CNN, ABC or Fox news yet.

Maybe everybody is asleep on this side of the pond  Laugh out loud
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:32 pm

Well, the guys from Atlanta have a "Breaking News" banner on their international website by now, but still nothing new...
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:34 pm

yup, i heard civillian as well!
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:35 pm

But still nothing on their US edition.

Actually I am getting a chuckle out of that  Laugh out loud
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:38 pm

I see nothing on CNN, CNN Headline news, or CNN.com. It's all JFK and Michael Jackson right now.
 
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Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:39 pm

Actually I am getting a chuckle out of that

Why?
 
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:41 pm

Oh it is just that the US News industry has been getting such a beating lately over reporting things too soon before the facts are in, that now they seem a wee bit paranoid.
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Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:44 pm

All CNN seems to be reporting is that the president's been shot...err, wait, forget it.
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:47 pm

Plane Lands at Baghdad Airport on Fire
BAGHDAD, Iraq - A cargo plane landed at Baghdad International Airport Saturday with its wing on fire, witnesses said.

The plane was trailing thick smoke and part of its wing tip was missing as it overflew Baghdad's Mahmoudiya district prior to touching down, said a witness who asked not to be identified.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=2&u=/ap/20031122/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_plane
 
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:47 pm

...adding to the irony that CNN doesn't appear to be on top of this story yet, their features "CNNRadio" service is sponsored by--no kidding!--DHL!!!

<-- here's proof!
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Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:48 pm

Fox News says that a plane was hit. It landed safely. That's all. No big news.
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Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:52 pm

I noticed that too Mikey711MN, I found it quite ironic. And kind of creepy.

I wonder if the aircraft was a 727?

I'm extrely glad that the plane landed safely though and no lives were lost. This is so big news because it only gives the government further reason to equip commercial aircraft with missile countermeasures, as it has been planning to do.

The pilots will deserve a few weeks R&R after this!
 
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Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:03 pm

Hmmm, makes you wonder if Manpads are as big of threat as people believe.

From what you hear on the news, that plane should be a smoking crater.

Kind of goes in the catagory of those people who thing GA aircraft like Cessna 172's are a big threat to buildings.
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:09 pm

Mikey711MN

Hey Mikey, you think that is funny. I don't know if you were saying that in jest, but making jokes about anyone getting killed, much less the President, is a bit over the top. That has no place on any forum, much less this one.

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Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:14 pm

Fox News on TV just reported that it was a missile hit...I wonder what type it was...sounds like a DC-8 since the wingtip was damaged, a heat seeker could go for either of the outboard engines and do said damage, whereas a 757's engines are much further inboard...

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Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:51 pm

Sorry you mistook me, AA7573E, but I was pointing out the strange fact that CNN chose to highlight something that happened 40 years ago vis-a-vis a breaking story like this. While a plane that gets hit my a missile and still can successfully land is not exactly a Story-of-the-Century, it is still news, which is what, in fact, CNN is in business to do: report on new events.
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Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:55 pm

For the record, CNN has now gotten around to reporting it here.
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sat Nov 22, 2003 6:01 pm

According to the BBC it was an A300 - they mention it in their story about the bombings that took place in Iraq (Full Story, 4th and 5th paragraph)
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Sat Nov 22, 2003 7:37 pm

Nwcoflyer,

Fox News says that a plane was hit. It landed safely. That's all. No big news.

Ok, so a plane being hit by a surface to air missile is no big news? This incident once again proves to what risk those pilots flying in and out of BGW expose themselves.

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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:32 pm

They're showing the plane on CNN now, just the nose. It appears to be a 767. Does DHL fly 767s?

If not then it's an A300
 
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:37 pm

Definitely looks like an A300 from the CNN picture on the link above...

 
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Sat Nov 22, 2003 8:40 pm

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Sat Nov 22, 2003 9:36 pm






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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sun Nov 23, 2003 12:06 am

I saw on TV CNN news that someone took photo while A300 in the flight. The missle hits on the left wing. It appears some fire and smoke coming out of the wing. I don't think any airline carriers will not flying to Baghdad service. I bet they are too afraid to go there.


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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sun Nov 23, 2003 1:02 am

The crew are lucky, as it was probably an old SAM-7, with little warhead to speak of as well as often being erratic, if it had been a newer SAM-16 or 18......
But it is serious, aircraft in this sort of size/weight catergory have been brought down by less.
Maybe civil aircraft flying in this area with no IR countermeasures should be reviewed.
Plenty of VIP airliner conversions have this kit after all, what's good for them should be good for other civil aircraft operating in such a high threat enviroment.
And it's presumably much harder to secure areas around airports in Iraq than elsewhere, just look at the news every day from there, you've a full scale insurgency going on.
 
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sun Nov 23, 2003 1:40 am

The A300 seems to have only partial DHL livery, neither the new yellow one nor the burgundy belly of the old colours. So it could be the one leased from Islandsflug:


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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sun Nov 23, 2003 2:19 am

ZSSNC,

Ok, so a plane being hit by a surface to air missile is no big news? This incident once again proves to what risk those pilots flying in and out of BGW expose themselves.

I probably should have worded what I said a little better. I was just pointing out that no body was killed of injured, at least from what I could tell was being released in the press. And is is big news? Not really, considering terrorist scum (or so called "insurgents" according to the media) are shooting/bombing our men and woman and killing them on a daily basis.

The fact that a surface to air missile was used is alarming, but from what I have been able to tell, this has happened before in Iraq. And yes, the pilots who fly out of anywhere in Iraq expose themselves to great risk and my prayers are with them.
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:38 am

i saw a picture of the plane on german news tv an hour ago, it was a shot from quite a far distance while it was still in flight with poor quality.
wings were in clean configuration with gear still in, and there was an area of about 2m width of the outer area of the left wing at the aileron area that dragged a ~5m long flame behind.
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sun Nov 23, 2003 6:26 am

Looks like the basis for another made for TV movie.

It looks from seeing the picture on TV that they had them a pretty mean looking fire going on there on the port wing. I got the impression that it had departed from BGW, if so then they would be lightly loaded except for fuel.
I bet they did not practice that one in the simulator, some pretty good flying by the pilots. I bet the CVR would be something to listen to on this one.

 
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:41 am

CNN has a great shot on their front page of the aircraft inflight.

www.cnn.com
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:46 am

"CNN has a great shot on their front page of the aircraft inflight.

www.cnn.com"


Do you mean this one?


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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:49 am

Yup that's the one.


Almost as entertaining as Roy on a different topic, wondering if it was a US setup!
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:50 am

Was on the news this morning when I got up at 5am..
 
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:53 am

What's "entertaining"? The article? I assume you're not talking about the attack itself?
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:55 am

Nothing intended.

Just a fan of great photo's.

But you just know that one would have been rejected here for grain size  Laugh out loud
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:57 am

Yup, it would have! Big grin

Though there might have been a chance 'cause of it being ultra-super-mega rare, like those two shots you find when looking for Saint Elmo's Fire.
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Sun Nov 23, 2003 10:00 am

Of course everybody here realizes that if it had been a Boeing, it would have been able to continue on to destination?  Laugh out loud
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sun Nov 23, 2003 10:06 am

Ahem... not sure since a 757SF wouldn't have had "4 engines 4 long haul" either!

I read somewhere that DHL also fly An-12s into Baghdad, I wonder whether its "tank" characteristics would have made a difference? Big grin
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sun Nov 23, 2003 10:22 am

I think it's obvious from the pictures and the fact that the plane came back, and performed a decent landing that a few things happened.

1. The crew are lucky, as it was probably an old SAM-7, with little warhead to speak of as well as often being erratic, if it had been a newer SAM-16 or 18......said by GDB

2. The attacker had lousy eyesight

3. The missile didn't explode, just hit the wing

4. Takeoff maneouvres at Baghdad are working

In any case, the pilots were extremely lucky. I wonder how they managed to make that wing work with its damage. I'm betting flapless landing.


 
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sun Nov 23, 2003 11:34 am

Getting shot at while flying a plane at any time is just wrong!

You know those pilots are counting their blessings.
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Sun Nov 23, 2003 1:16 pm

Im sure the fact the plane was empty (nothing to haul OUT of Iraq) was to their advantage.
 
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Mon Nov 24, 2003 11:41 am

Thank God the crew is all right. It's with news like these that there can be no doubt that a pilot is nowhere near overpayment.

Could it have been something else? I mean, I don't know anything about missiles, but I would bet a SAM-whatever can make a hell of a lot more damage than that seen on the picture. The fire's coming from a spot very near from the wingtip, where the wing is considerably more fragile than near the fuselage, and the leading edge seems to have somehow survived the impact.

I just hope the US doesn't freak out and want to mandate the equipment of anti-missile gear to every single airliner in the world. Let me say that if this kind of reaction does happen because of this incident, it will only make life even harder for us spotters, with more and more unfair and unjustifiable treatment for innocent people with cameras near airport fences.
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:02 pm

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" The SA-7 was the first generation of Soviet man portable surface-to-air missiles. Although classed as "fire and forget" types, the missiles were easily overcome by solar heat and, when used in hilly terrain, by heat from the ground."

"The SA-7a had a slant range of 3.6 km and a kill zone between 15 and 1500 meters in altitude, with a speed of about 430 meters per second (Mach 1.4). The SA-7b has a slant range of about 4.2 km, a ceiling of about 2300 meters, and a speed of about 500 meters per second (Mach 1.75). Both the SA-7a and SA-7b are tail-chase missile systems, and its effectiveness depends on its ability to lock onto the heat source of low-flying fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft targets."

and some information regarding the warhead:
"HE fragmentation (containing 0.37 Kg HE) with contact and graze fuzing"
taken from http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/sa-7.htm


well 370grams isnt too much. of course damaging where the mass of shrapnel/blast go but that area is not a big kill radius like with stationary sams. so i guess the main force of the blast got either all into the engine or somewhere else but not into the wing structure.
thats the advantage of civillian jetliners and also the a10, they have pod mounted engines so if something hits that the engine might be knocked out but collateral damage is not as big as with planes that have engines within the fuselage like all the jet fighters.
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:18 pm

Remarkable job on the part of the pilots for bringing the plane down safely!

Thank goodness they were OK.

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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Mon Nov 24, 2003 1:08 pm

Any doubt about how well an Airbus is built??? That one seems to be holding together quite well, AFTER BEING HIT BY A MISSLE !!!!!
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RE: Breaking News/CNN: DHL Plane Hit By Missile In BGW

Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:47 pm

Some updates...... for obvious reasons not too detailed.....

Crew did have a big party afterwards....... They are arriving back here in Europe today.

They lost all hydraulics, so they could only maneuver with differentiating engine power and had no flaps, spoilers or brakes on landing. Of course it was a very heavy and high speed landing.

Suspect A300B4-200F OO-DLL will be a write-off.... but you try to get the insurance company to go there and inspect it!!! HE HE

I've seen some photos that confirms Dc10guy's comment. An Airbus is built VERY well!!!!!

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