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Bed Recline

Sun Nov 23, 2003 4:51 am

Just curious if anyone has slept in a business class seat where the bed is completely flat but slopes downwards.

such as Qantas's sky bed (although im sure no one has been on this one yet) and singapore's raffles class, i think even Virgin's now old upper class.

The seat does well recline to 180 degrees but still makes a significant angle with the horizontal!!!!!!

i know BA's Club World Bed is slightly tilted downwards such that if you are as tall as the bed, your head will be either 2 cm higher or lower than your feet, depending on whether you are sitting in a forward facing or rear facing seat.

i personally find this very uncomfortable.

does anyone have any thoughts regarding these flat but sloping beds?

can you really get a good night's sleep on one of these?

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RE: Go To Bed

Sun Nov 23, 2003 4:58 am

I have flown in BA's Club World cabin, and found the flatbeds to be fine. I believe the reason they have the slight slope is due to the fact that when the aircraft is flying it is at a slight angle, so the result is a flat bed.

The QF bed I'm sure will be even better than BA's purely because the seats are wider (BA have 8 Across on a 744 main deck, QF, SQ have 7 Across)

I think the narrowness of the BA bed is where it gets its complaints, but as I said earlier, I thought it was great and im 6' and found it comfortable.
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RE: Go To Bed

Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:02 am

I found DL BizElite seat to be a little awkward to sleep in at first. I know it's not meant to be a flat bed, but I thought it was of relevance.
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RE: Go To Bed

Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:07 am

I haven't been onboard one of our new A-330's (or re-configured 747-400's) yet, but colleagues have told me that our new "lie flat" World Business Class seats tilt as well. What's up with that??? Sounds uncomfortable to me!
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RE: Go To Bed

Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:08 am

I think you will find that BAs flat bed is exactly that.......flat. Its a 180 degree flat bed. I am certain that if it was not then some cunning solicitor would have taken them to court for false advertising. You clearly have to follow all the instructions on the card that is in the seat pocket to get the full flat bed experience. And what we all have to remember when comparing BAs bed to others is that this is the market leader, this is what started the flat bed phenomenom............would anybody else be that bold. What i say is after all the others have got their flat beds installed what will BA come up with next? Club World is a market leader for BA and will always continue to be so as this is BAs biggest money earner!!!! With that I am eagerly awaiting to experience the VS bed and service soon???
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RE: Go To Bed

Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:18 am

On COs bizFirst The seats lie nearly linear at 170 degrees. I flew on a BF 757 LAS-EWR red-eye and found the cradle position the most comfortable to sleep in as I kept rolling over when the seat was linear and hitting my face against the headrest. I found the seat very sleep condusive. I felt quite rested after the flight considering flight time is just over 4 hours. I stayed awake for the rest of the day until 9pm which is better than I normaly do with 4hrs sleep.

I wish I had been there instead of in economy when I flew EWR-HKG. At least I had a window seat with nobody in the middle seat so I could prop my head against the side of the plane, but it was behind the engined so it was somewhat loud. Man that flight is long when you dont sleep!!!
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RE: Go To Bed

Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:20 am

i swear on my life that my head is higher than my feet (very slightly, almost unnoticeable) on BA Club WOrld beds.

it is flat, there is no doubt about that, but so is a wall. i really think that it is slightly tilted. I've been on their 744 Upper Decks as welll as the 777s and have noticed this in both cases.

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RE: Bed Recline

Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:30 am

In case there are any Babylon 5 fans out there: An incline was good enough for the Minbari.....
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RE: Bed Recline

Sun Nov 23, 2003 6:22 am

AirxLiban, I think what you noticed is actually the plane's flying angle not the BA bed. The BA bed is flat, but is on a slight slope when flying, this is why QF, CX & SX have a slight degree on their beds so when flying they appear flat.
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RE: Bed Recline

Sun Nov 23, 2003 6:35 am


oh really, this is interesting. thats actually quite ingenius.

why couldn't BA have realized that?

does this mean that the plane isn't flying completely level?

many thanks

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RE: Bed Recline

Sun Nov 23, 2003 7:18 am

I don't know the exact technical speak for how it all works, but the flying angle is definately there.

To be honest, it's not that great, so BA probably didnt see the need to have an angle, it's just that QF, SQ, CX decided to improvise on BA (I presume) and try it with the angle, though I haven't experienced CX first hand, there angle is slightly more than that of what the plane flies, so there has been some complaints of pax sliding down the beds... (nicknamed the wedgie beds)
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RE: Bed Recline

Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:54 pm

When aircraft are flying straight and level, they actually have a nose high attitude of 2 to 3 degrees.
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RE: Bed Recline

Sun Nov 23, 2003 7:03 pm

I have flown in CX's new seats which slope at such an angle, when flat, it actually feels uncomfortable. So, many passengers choose the "sun bed" position (that's actually recommended by a CX inflight brochure) as the best for sleeping. I slept fine at that angle but it kinda defeats the whole point of having a flat-bed seat. Don't know if the SQ Spacebed and other airlines introducing similar-type seats have the same problem.
BA's flat bed is still the one to beat, though the new Virgin ones look mighty good.

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