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Virgin Expansion In India?

Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:20 am

Just saw a report that Virgin Atlantic Airways wants to expand to Mumbai, Bangalore and Hyderbad. They can reach an agreement with Air India to increase there flights from three to five a week. Virgin wants Mumbai but also wants BLR or HYD.

Do you think this will happen before BA comes to BLR or HYD? If that happens it will be a major win for Virgin against BA. Also what aircraft will Virgin operate into HYD?

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behramjee
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RE: Virgin Expansion In India?

Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:11 am

AI is more closer to VS than it is to BA so dont be surprised if VS beats BA to this.

They want DEL to go 5 weekly with B 744s and want to start BOM too with B 744s.

As far as BLR and HYD goes, an A 346 or even A 343 is more than enough...I would choose A 346 three times a week for BLR and HYD.

BOM should be 4-5 times a week with B 744s or A 346s...pref B 744s!!!

If I was VSs boss and given unlimited access to India and had the planes this would be my plan for the country :

DEL : Daily B 744s
BOM : Daily B 744s
MAA : 4 weekly A 346s
CCU : 4 weekly A 346s
BLR : 4 weekly A 346s
HYD : 3 weekly A 343s

For the region :

KHI : 4 weekly A 346s
ISB : 3 weekly A 343s
LHE : 3 weekly A 346s
DAC : 3 weekly A 346s
CMB : 4 weekly A 346s
DXB : Daily A 346s
AUH : Daily A 343s
KWI : Daily A 343s
JED : 4 weekly A 343s
RUH : 4 weekly A 346s
 
ObiThomas
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RE: Virgin Expansion In India?

Mon Nov 24, 2003 11:26 am

Wish they would do MAA also. That would give me one more choice besides BA and LH for IAD-MAA.
 
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RE: Virgin Expansion In India?

Mon Nov 24, 2003 5:49 pm

Yes, but let's not forget that HYD's runway is insufficiently short to enable a full-loaded A340, B777 or B747 to depart. Consequently, a stop enroute must be made. Perhaps it could be in BLR or MAA (passengers could fly nonstop with BA), but may be via a new city like Amristar (new to London, at least) or AMD. Or perhaps via MCT - a city quite popular from HYD and which would be the only non-stop connection between London and Oman.
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RE: Virgin Expansion In India?

Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:48 pm

Actually that wouldnt be a bad route at all for BA to look into:

3 weekly B 777-200ER LHR-MCT-HYD-MCT-LHR with full pax-cargo rights between MCT and HYD.

Doesnt LH fly to HYD with A 343s nonstop from FRA?
 
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RE: Virgin Expansion In India?

Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:52 pm

Hi,

LH flies FRA-BLR 3 times a week with A343.
 
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RE: Virgin Expansion In India?

Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:53 pm

Behramjee

LH does not fly to HYD and probably don't intend to in the near future. I've asked everyone I know in LH and they say they have no such plans.

Don't know where Times of India gets its info from.

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RE: Virgin Expansion In India?

Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:53 pm

"3 weekly B 777-200ER LHR-MCT-HYD-MCT-LHR with full pax-cargo rights between MCT and HYD."

Ideally with full rights, but I wonder whether it, in reality, would.

I wonder how many people from the UK would wish to travel non-stop to MCT. There's got to be quite a few in view of GF's and BA's flights, although none of which are non-stop. A unique service and a monopoly situation, then.
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RE: Virgin Expansion In India?

Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:44 am

LH does not fly to HYD and probably don't intend to in the near future. I've asked everyone I know in LH and they say they have no such plans.

LH and AI have signed a commercial agreement to jointly provide service on the HYD-FRA route by 2005, so its definitely on the radar albeit not in the immediate future.
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RE: Virgin Expansion In India?

Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:51 am

Gentlemen... a lot of the comments here are baffling and highly amusing to say the least. Especially Behramjee whose route analysis would definitely have won him a seat on SU's board twenty years ago.

In today's airline route planning and economics, trust me, a routing such as LON-ATQ-HYD-ATQ-LON or LON-HYD-ATQ-HYD-LON is a sure shot way of flushing down the $$$ especially as no cabotage will be allowed on HYD-ATQ-HYD sector. And as for HYD-MCT-HYD, there isn't enough 3/4th freedom traffic to justify this route at all.

Analysing VS's network, we see that their European connectivity is practically nil. BA, LH and others score over them on this count. They would be better off targeting US traffic ex India and concentrating on those cities which have this potential. With BA, LH and others firmly entrenched in DEL/BOM, VS should look at BLR which despite LH's presence (and now SQ) is rather underserved and has tremendous potential to US. Again the zippy and rather unconventional VS brand will appeal more the Southern India IT crowd (from BLR, MAA, HYD) than to the more traditionally inclined exporters, business travellers, VFR etc. from DEL/BOM. VS has not been able to really make as great a market impact in DEL as they would have liked. Even as they launched services to DEL they made it very clear that their target was ethnic traffic from Punjab. With all due respects to Sir Richard, it is extremely unlikely and difficult to imagine the average Sardarji identifying with his gimmicks and his strain of humor choosing him over tried and tested products. They are much more comfortable with BA and LH in this regard.

If VS can align their schedules to ensure an early/daylight arrival into USA with their timings ex India, believe me.. its half their battle won.

And Behramjee... when you mention these routes to/from LON from cities like CCU and other such places, kindly clarify if these are based on fantasy or if you seriously believe they would make money.

rgds//Vimanav
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