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PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:42 am

These 2 airports, only 2-3 hours apart, each have about 10-25 flights a day w/ large commercial transports. But interestingly, they are not served by any major US airline or commuter/regional affiliate. Also, while having Canadian & European carriers, they are not served by any major Canadian or European airline either. (AC,BA,LH, KLM..etc.)


airlines flying into St. Petersburg/Clearwater (PIE)
http://www.fly2pie.com/airlines_destinations/info_contact.asp

airlines flying into Orlando/Sanford (SFB)
http://www.orlandosanfordairport.com/airlines.asp

Are there any other USA airports like this?
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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:58 am

Doesn't ATA serve PIE and PanAm serve SFB? Obviously PanAm isn't a major, but ATA is.
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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:59 am

That's very interesting indeed... Trying to think of other airports like that it sprang to my mind that one would need to look for a place that has a well-devloped airport close by (TPA and MCO in this case), has an interest for holidaymakers and some oversized airport that is unused or ignored by the biggies. Basically, these airports seem to cater mostly to people that live somewhere else and come to PIE and SFB, but not to the population in the airport's catchment area.

To me, there are only two ones in Europe that spring to mind:
- Reus, near Barcelona
- Ciampino, near Rome

Both are served by numerous holiday airlines and some LCC. The holiday airlines often come in on widebodies. But no "mainline" carriers go there.
 
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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:09 am

Doesn't ATA serve PIE and PanAm serve SFB? Obviously PanAm isn't a major, but ATA is.

I thought this might come up. Well, ATA certainly was not a major when they started serving PIE back in the 80's, I believe. And let's face it, people don't really THINK of them as a major. Think "LEGACY" carriers...yeah, some on here hate that term! Big grin I don't know why you're bringing Pan Am up.
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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:14 am

Regardless of whether people think of ATA as a major, they are a major. My point is these two airports are in the category of secondary metropolitan airports that LCC and small airlines usually seek out and serve, while majors serve the primary airports. Your thread topic reads as if you are wondering why these airports have NO service...
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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:40 pm

I agree that PIE is unusual. I grew up in St. Petersburg, but I never used PIE. I started a thread about PIE several months ago and was surprised to learn that a handful of airlines offered service to both TPA and PIE, even though they are only about 10 miles apart. I think the most recent case was with USAir Express serving PIE with Beechcraft 1900 flights to/from MCO (I believe this was discontinued in the mid 90's).

PIE tried to lure Southwest when they announced their interest to serve the area. Southwest ended up choosing TPA, with one of their complaints being PIE's lack of jetways.
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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:10 pm

Living in the Tampa Bay area, we do get the privilege of dual airports for Florida's "twin city". Other airports that would probably fit in this category include DET (when it had ProAir), and LCK (Hooters Air), and maybe YMX (charters only soon?) would also fall into this category.

On a side note, I recall reading an article once upon a time about a proposal to limit PIE to charters due to the severe NIMBYs in the Feathersound area, and move scheduled operations to TPA. Unfortunately I am unable to find the article, as I didn't find it much relevance at the time, as I knew such proposal would never go through.
 
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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:37 pm

Hey I gotta question, can or do PIE and SFB work together?

Like if some pax need to transfer to another flight that can be better served at another airport, just ferry the passengers viz some highspeed monorail train or something?
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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:46 pm

This is slightly off topic but the ICAO call sign for Hooters is LCK? Is anyone else thinking about LICK, Hooters...is that a coincidence or?
 
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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Tue Nov 25, 2003 10:51 pm

LCK is the three-letter airport code for Columbus Rickenbacker International Airport.
 
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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Wed Nov 26, 2003 1:31 am

I've noticed some Allegiant charters use the Williams Gateway Airport (IWA) near Phoenix/Mesa.
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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Wed Nov 26, 2003 1:32 am

PIE is a great airport with major service. SFB seems to be filling a BABO role in ORL -- taking the low-yield charter traffic. I'd certainly classify the two airports as being altogether different in most every respect.

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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Wed Nov 26, 2003 1:37 am

SFB is owned by the same people that own LTN, isn't it ? Definitely a bucket-and-spade operation, for the low-cost and charter market.
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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Wed Nov 26, 2003 1:38 am

While not an completely accurate analogy, they are similar in nature to DAL, MDW, and HOU as they are really niche airports that have been able to survive in the shadow of larger more popular airports. And many of these airports were replaced by the larger airports in the area.
 
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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Wed Nov 26, 2003 2:54 am

PIE is the home base of the new Southeast Airlines (aka Sun King), got to give them a plug here...as for SFB, does anyone know how much money the UK charters really save by going there instead of MCO? is it really that significant? i drove out there a couple of years ago to check it out, and it was like being in a parallel universe, with all these Brits being plunked down couple of hundred at a time in the central Florida farmland. For those who bought an Orlando package and aren't aware this isn't the main airport, they must be shocked at how small and quiet it is! other than the UK charters the other main activity at SFB seems to be the Comair Academy pilot factory....
 
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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Wed Nov 26, 2003 3:06 am

It also reminds me of Laughlin, NV. I'm pretty sure it is all charter activity there.

 
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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Wed Nov 26, 2003 4:03 am

I would classify SFB as a GA airport primarily used for training (95% of movements are light aircraft, most from the Delta Connection Academy) with an international terminal slapped on the side, rather awkwardly.

It's very interesting for European crews not used to such large volumes of light traffic to operate out of SFB!
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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Wed Nov 26, 2003 6:43 am

That's a good question RiverVisual. Btw SFB looks more like a bus terminal than an airport. It's got no windows! so you can't see anything on the airside, only the street where you got dropped off and the building on the other side of it.
 
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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Wed Nov 26, 2003 7:57 am

Southeast also serves LCK, so there are two airlines there.

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RE: PIE & SFB: America's Most Unusual Airports?

Wed Nov 26, 2003 9:16 am

Hey Miami, didn;t know they didn't have any airside windows at SFB as I wasn't there as a pax so no airside access...What they DO have I believe is an actual British pub, because of the number of Brits passing through on package holiday charters. Anyway, because of the unusual international activity and out of the way location, I would suggest any a.net members passing through that part of FL stop by and check it out!

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