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Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:03 am

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Helen Clark frisked at Sydney Airport
24 November 2003
By THE AGE'S LOUISE DODSON and NZPA

Prime Minister Helen Clark was frisked at Sydney Airport for explosives in an incident that has embarrassed the Australian Government.

Despite having a NZ security officer with her, Miss Clark was pulled out of a queue on October 28 and given a body scan with a new explosives detection device to make sure she was not a bomb-carrying terrorist, The Age has learned.

Senior Australian Government sources said the incident was an embarrassment. It was not regarded as the right way to treat the leader of Australia's close ally, they said.

"You won't be surprised to hear the New Zealand Prime Minister was not found to be carrying any explosives," a spokesman for Transport Minister John Anderson said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2736999a10,00.html

But the Aussies don't seem to grasp what the problem is.

"I'm not sure what we're meant to say here, whether she should be treated differently than everybody else," a spokesman for Australian Transport Minister John Anderson said yesterday.

A lot of people would think that she should be, it was suggested.

"And why would they assume that?" the spokesman asked.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2737449a10,00.html



Caption: AUSSIE VIEW: How Melbourne paper, The Age, saw the frisking incident.

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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:36 am

This incident is amusing but annoying at the same time as well.
I can understand that they did not recognise who she was but once she told them they should have stopped the process.

She is not an ordinary person and she is also not a PM of some unknown country to the Aussies so i find it totally unaceptable that they continued on with the search.

And the fact that aussies are not apologising for this makes me even more annoyed.
But hey i'm kinda used to that kind of behaviour from them so its all sweet...
 
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:38 am

I believe they acted correct in not giving her preferential treatment, it undermines the whole security process if they had...

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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:47 am

Greg - it follows then that you believe your own President should have been subject to normal security procedures at LHR on his recent visit to London. I suggest you write a strongly worded protest to the President rebuking him for accepting special treatment from the UK government.
 
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:52 am

Well it appears Mrs. Clark was traveling on a commercial flight it sounds like...going to DXB perhaps she was traveling on EK? (if she was traveling by private/government jet I retract my previous statement, but given the circumstances I doubt it)...before I go on could someone confirm what type of flight was she on???

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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:53 am

This is one of the many reasons why profiling is a very good thing.
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:05 am

I thought that most airports actually had special VIP-personnel on staff that would see to it that VIPs - and I'd say that the PM of New Zealand would certainly qualify as such - are brought through security and other areas a bit quicker, or at least with less hassle...

Commercial flight or not - calling this embarrasing would be understating things: just because some countries have elected officials flying on commercial flights (and thus saving huge amounts of money for the tax payer) does not make it OK for them to be treated like potential terrorists...

Somewhat off topic, but out of interest - what plane does GWBush fly on when he goes to Texas for the weekend/holidays? Do they fly him out on one of the 747s for that as well?
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:18 am

Pity the screeners.
 
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:21 am

Ok Im going to go under the assumption that she was flying commercially, which Im 99.9% sure of...

First off Ill just put a few quotes from those articles:

"The [Australian] Transport Minister's spokesman said if Miss Clark found herself in the public section of airport security she should expect to be treated like all the other travellers."

"It doesn't matter who you are - whether you are a first-class passenger, whether you are a business-class passenger or whether you are a VIP - if your number comes up, you're screened"

-those two quotes essentially sum up my argument here. If the NZ PM elects to travel commercially, why should she get special/preferred treatment at security just because shes a VIP? To do so undermines the whole security process that is there for a reason. Of course the odds of her actually carrying anything forbidden are nil, and everyone knows that, but that's no excuse for her to be exempted from security procedures... Furthermore, the PM herself said that it was no big deal and wasn't causing a stir about it...

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Bush was using his own aircraft for that, and private security regulations are much different than commercial security regulations...if by some reason he had flown into LHR on BA or UA or something like that, I do think he should be treated like a normal passenger...alas, that was not the case here...comparing these two occurences is not valid at all...

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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:08 pm

So she should be searched!

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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:20 pm

God, that was funny. To be honest, she's not that well known or recognisable by many Australians. Seriously. I reckon she looks like one of those orks from the Lord of the Rings. You'd DEFINETLY search them, wouldn't you?!

OK-that was a joke, before i get a whole lot of kiwi abuse. Joke!!
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:58 pm

C'mon... Even if she found herself in the "public" area of the arrival concourse, she is after all a PRIME MINISTER OF NEW ZEALAND!!!! Why did she end up at a public area anyway? Even if she arrived on a comemercial flight, there should have been provisions to whisk her away from the public (disembark via the stairs at the aerobridge to a waiting convoy, perhaps?)...

Let me see if Sydney Airport would frisk the Queen of England just because she arrived First Class on a QANTAS flight from London via Singapore! On a similar note, I wonder if Prince Harry was frisked when he arrived?
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:59 pm

Hmm.. a few points here.

1) Ms. Clark was flying Emirates. Apparently she was advised to use a commercial service at the last minute because of security concerns over using a special jet. This switch may well have taken place at the last minute, so that would be why she didn't use the regular VIP area.

2) The Australian officials are failing to get a consistent message across - they say they didn't know she was flying, yet she was met at the aircraft door and escorted to security by airport staff. The Transport Minister has been quoted as saying "I'm not sure what we're meant to say here, whether she should be treated differently than everybody else", while the Tourism Minister has said it was "An embarrassing error that should not happen again."

It's pretty bad that a government that's been in power for quite a long time can't deliver a consistent message by this time!

3) My opinion - Ms. Clark showed dignity and class by agreeing to go through this check. However, every time a head of state, or other such people are singled out for these checks, the chances of detecting a real terrorist decreases - which is a real worry.
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:08 pm

"It's pretty bad that a government that's been in power for quite a long time can't deliver a consistent message by this time!"

No not at all - like the Refugees "overboard" incident - par for the course for this mob. Like the old saying "They can't lie straight in bed".
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:09 pm

Qantasclub:

Your statement... Seriously. I reckon she looks like one of those orks from the Lord of the Rings. ... Now, was that supposed to be sarcastic (towards HC and her looks) or complimentary (towards the orks in LOTR in that they look like the PM of Middle Earth)?? ...

 Smile Big grin Big grin  Big thumbs up  Nuts...

Now, that is a JOKE too okay.. !

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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:16 pm

Guys guys... give her a break! She recently had a bug named after her so she has enough on her mind already!  Laugh out loud
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:19 pm


I think its perfectly reasonable to search her especially to make sure she didn't steal the Web Ellis Cup to take home!!!!!! hehehehehe Now thats a joke!!!!!!!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:21 pm

What sorts of people should get preferred treatment at airline check-ins, then? Elected officials? Government bureaucrats? High-profile businessmen? Celebrities? Other VIPs of note?

Here's my point of view; if you take your own private plane, you can set the security on board... as it is, after all, your dollar and your neck.

You take a plane with the rabble, so to speak.... you're in the public domain, and you have to endure the same security screening as the rest of us.
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:26 pm

My point exactly Goose...well said...

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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:06 pm

I can not belive what i am hearing in here.
She is a prime minister of a country and it does not matter how small or large that country is she should be trated as a representative of such country and with utmost respect.

I find it very ironical that you, USAFHummer are talkiing about this when your ex ex ex presidents are treated better than Helen Clark was treated at the airport.
Bear in mind that she doe snot know the airport by heart so the only reason she was in the public place was because she was led there.

I cannot believe that there is a discussion about this matter. It is an open and shut case. Aussies made a blunder and they should apologise for it. The only reason they are not doing it is because it is a Kiwi PM so who gives a damn. Righ?

 
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:25 pm


I agree it was unfortunate but you can surely see how anyone in the public part of the airport is subject to search.

I think SACL, or whoever was showing the New Zealand PM around, was completely to blame for putting her in the position she was in. The security people were just doing their job and should be commended for doing it properly.

The government shouldn't apologise for a blunder by Sydney Airport, the Airport should apologise and review its procedures for handling VIP's.
 
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:30 pm

Like I said before, if President Bush traveled commercially, I believe he should not be exempted either, but he does not, he travels by non-commercial means and security means for that are entirely different...you cannot compare the two...

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Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:38 pm


If President Bush travelled commercially he would have the secret service take over the plane and half the airport and no-one in airport security would even touch him except as a photo opportunity. The British Royals travel commercially and are not subject to searches and the like.

I dont see why the Prime Minister of New Zealand, or of any country, would be the subject of a search unless she was put in the wrong place at the wrong time by someone who was inexperienced at handling VIP's at Sydney Airport.

 
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:32 pm

(seriously, now): I agree that she should not have been searched. We should apologise to the Kiwis. This is not the first time a blunder like that has happened to HC. Her plane 2 years ago from Melbourne (an ANZ commercial 737 flight) was prevented from taking off and she was stranded in Melbourne for quite some time, which caused a monor diplomatic incident.
The TRUTH is, and this IS true, New Zealand is not improtant to Australia, at least from the Australian foreign policy point of view. I'm not saying that I agree with this, but that is what this reflects. I mean, we bend over backwards and shut canberra for Dubbya, and when HC goes through Sydney, she gets felt up! New Zealand rarely gets a mention in our newspapers (except in the sporting section), cabinet ministers have expressed dissapointment that NZ now doesn't even have an airforce and relies on us to protect skies...( ie-she is not pulling her weight in defense), and these reasons are possibly why HC didn't really get the respect she deserves. Now, before you kiwi's go ballistic, I am not saying that i agree that this should be the case, but just highlighting some possible factors as to why it happened.
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:37 pm

So if John Howard's motorcade was going at 82kmh in a posted 70kmh zone in Auckland while on a visit, then they should be pulled over by the police for speeding?

Helen Clark went through the normal security checkpoint. That should be End of Story. Singling out the prime minister of any country for further 'random' security screening should never happen. Aside from the obvious issue that it is a complete waste of time because they won't find anything, it is an issue of respect.

When former President Clinton flew out of Auckland earlier this year on a UA service to Los Angeles, do you think the New Zealand Aviation Security Service would have asked him to remove his shoes and belt?
 
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:37 pm

Well said, Sydscott - Bush travelling commercially and sitting "with the crowd"? There's even less chance of that happening than him sitting in a commercial airliner at all...

But even if he did, there's no chance that the secret service would let anyone else on board - probably not even the flight attendants or pilots, if they happen to not be Republicans...
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:53 pm

Look for New Zealand to send it's fighter planes across the channel to bomb Australia in retailation....


Oh wait....

I guess that isn't an option  Laugh out loud
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 6:04 pm

Re: She is a prime minister of a country and it does not matter how small or large that country is she should be trated as a representative of such country and with utmost respect

Since when are politicians automatically worthy of respect ? Respect has to be EARNED. Saddam Hussein is/was President of Iraq, and if he was on the same flight as me, I'd prefer to make damn sure he's stripped and body-cavity-searched before they let him board.

Besides, if she's too cheap to have an Airforce and therefore a VIP jet, and has to travel commercial, she gets treated like the rest of us - nobody died and made her special.
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:18 pm

JG - New Zealand has 2 Boeing 757 used as VIP transports - if you read my post earlier in the thread, you'll discover why she was travelling commercially.

I repeat - every time a head of state, or other such people are singled out for these checks, the chances of detecting a real terrorist decreases - which is a real worry.
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 8:04 pm

RE: I repeat - every time a head of state, or other such people are singled out for these checks, the chances of detecting a real terrorist decreases - which is a real worry.

TG992: It's not like it happens that often. Hardly 'a real worry'.

RE: JG - New Zealand has 2 Boeing 757 used as VIP transports - if you read my post earlier in the thread, you'll discover why she was travelling commercially.
I don't understand what possible security threat NZ's PM could face, I mean, it's not like NZ is exactly high on the terrorist list of targets. If she had VIP jets, then she should have used them. I've seen the 757s, actually-they're kinda nice...greyish hull with a kiwi emblem on the tail.


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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 8:38 pm

Qantasclub - I have heard many stories about this sort of thing happening - while it's rare for it to happen to a head of state, I believe many other people who are promiment in the world have been searched. For instance, we had one of the Three Tenors flying with us last week - what point would there have been in searching him?

Regarding security threats - surely you know that every 'Western' nation is a target for Iraqi or other terrorist interests? While Clark disagreed with Bush's decision to invade Iraq, she has sent troops to Iraq to assist with reconstruction - which automatically makes her a target. Even if the average Iraqi renegade may not know this, seeing a Western aircraft with military markings landing would be enough.
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 8:46 pm

It's well timed that the NZ Prime Minister got checked for bombs.

On the same day I was travelling in Brisbane (Australia) back to Sydney. I was well dressed because I was travelling for work purpose. Literally a split second after going through the metal detector I had a sign placed in my line of view... I was asked to read it to myself.

The sign simply said that I had been randomly selected for a bomb scan. A piece of material was wiped over the openings of my bag and it was quickly put through a machine on the side.

The process was a little embarassing, but didn't hold me up too long.

If most Australians saw the NZ Prime Minister, they wouldn't know her from anyone else. Even then, if she was travelling like the rest of us - why should it matter.

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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 9:01 pm

Well this is ridiculous..........You cannot treat any Head of State this way..


Security or no security...........


What do you expect she will carry expolosives bound for DXB on an EK flight and blow it up and EK will then suspend all flights to AKL..........and UAE New Zealand relations will be on an all time low.

UN will put sanctions on New Zealand and ban all International flights to & from New Zealand

Air NZ then automaticly gets thrown out of Star Alliance.......

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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 9:30 pm

This discussion has really taken a bad turn. Insults or sarcasm aimed at PM Helen Clark's look were neither deserved nor appropriate.

At the end of the day, it is clear that somebody knew who she was and was escorting her. From then on, the kind of diplomatic protocol that is accorded to a Head of Government was thrown out of the window. It does not speak well for a nation's hospitality (especially when this involves the Head of Government of an immediate neighbour - it isn't like she came from an obscure nation from another continent).

Helen Clark certainly isn't that unrecognisable and enjoys a healthy level of respect from many. Her choice to travel on a commercial flight and go through the normal channels is indeed commendable . . . truly reflective of her good nature. Not making a fuss over this mistreatment certainly reflects the dignity with which she conducted herself.

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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 9:48 pm

I echo the sentiments that while security is foremost in people's minds, a head of government should not be treated in such a manner. Like it or not, she is not your Joe Average off the street - she is the leader of a party that was elected into government. In itself, this is worthy of respect. To treat the leader of a foreign government in such a manner displays a complete lack of respect for that country and its people. I am proud as a New Zealander that, in spite of this afront, Ms Clark has been so very gracious about the whole issue.

I would also like to address some points raised by JGPH1A:

- I find it utterly contemptable that you would compare the Prime Minister of New Zealand to Saddam Hussein. Such comments are an insult to all New Zealanders, and I think you should appologise for making them.

- Helen Clark has certainly earnt respect - her continued top place in preferred Prime Minister polls, and more importantly two general elections, demonstrates this. Nobody died and made her special - how true. The country elected her party to government (by a decent margin too), and made her special in that way.

- On the issue of full cavity searches, might I suggest that if I were ever to have the misfortune of flying with you, I would insist one were made on you. Given the nature of your comments, your head would be the obvious place to start...

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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 9:55 pm

I didn't compare Helen Clark with Saddam Hussein, all I said was that by the arguments present in this forum, his position as head of state (as was) should have protected him from security checks were he to board a commercial flight. Simply because somebody is head of state, doesn't make them ex-officio no threat to security. No doubt Miss Clark is no threat to security, I would never imagine that she could be, but to offer any passenger excemption from security rules based on their perceived social or political status nullifies the benefit of truly random security screening.
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Tue Nov 25, 2003 10:05 pm

First, we need to consider a few points. New Zealand does not have enemies like the US. Thus they are fortunate in that their elected officials do not have to travel with an entourage of hundreds of armed guards like dumb dumb (Bush). In the US very few politicians have security services. Most governors, mayors and congressmen just go it alone much like the PM of New Zealand. For example, last week I was passing through security at DFW and Senator Kay Baily Hutchison (R) of Texas was ahead of me in line. She went through security like everyone else, granted she did not get the separate wand treatment. She was traveling with some aides but she did not have a separate VIP entrance or any silliness like that. Frankly I think this is good because it keeps her close to the voters.

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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:27 am

PMs and other government VIPs have special, private government aircraft for this very reason - so that they do not have to endure the same security checks, connections, and other hassles that anyone flying on a commercial airline has to.

Whether she opted or was forced, due to circumstance, to fly on an airline with the "rest of us," is a moot point. She was there, getting on a commercial flight with other paying pax. She should've been subject to the same checks as everyone else. Elected officials should not be exempt - whether they are the PM or an MP from some backwater constituency.

But I think you're all missing a point.... that the NZ PM is not making a big deal of this. She's been very graceful and (seemingly) understanding.... and, after all, the security checks are a personal thing - so they have everything to do with her.
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:33 am

...especially when this involves the Head of Government of an immediate neighbour - it isn't like she came from an obscure nation from another continent...

A Head of State, regardless of an obscure or unobscure nation, still deserves certain level of protocol. That is why I would like to see them do this to the Queen of England! See what becomes of PM Howard after this fiasco!
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Wed Nov 26, 2003 4:08 am

"Fiasco".....

Sounds like a simple mistake to me. And mistakes happen.

It'll blow over.... as I said, the party involved (being the PM of NZ) doesn't seem to take this as much of an affront as people on this 'board are. It's not like it's a personal insult to any of you.... just get over it, and move on. There's certainly more important things to be worried about.
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Wed Nov 26, 2003 4:50 am

Hi people:

Must admit I was a little overboard abt the remarks of HC's look. Sorry and I take them back.

But, seriously, I think a (large) part of the blame should be placed on Sydney Airport's VIP Handling protocol and procedures. I used to work for SATS and Singapore Changi Airprot, and in SIN we have a set of protocols and rules for handling VIPs. Whether VIPs travelled commercially or on their private VIP aircraft, they were treated the same (as in how VIPs should be treated). I have seen many a VIP (heads of state, politicians, Sultans etc) travel on commercial flights, and they were always accorded that special treatment. For one, during boarding, the VIPs were always the LAST person to board the aircraft - that way, I could say that you would not have the chance of being picked randomly and screened/frisked.

- PMs and other government VIPs have special, private government aircraft for this very reason - so that they do not have to endure the same security checks, connections, and other hassles that anyone flying on a commercial airline has to . This is not quite true. For one, Singapore (AFAIK) does NOT have any special VIP aircraft for their ministers/president. People like SM Lee KY and PM Goh travel commercially, and even the former President Dhanabalan flew a commercial SIA plane before. I remember that on a few occassions when SM Lee travelled, security was very tight, and all other paxs were thoroughly screened. Of course, some paxs were disgruntled that such things happen, and even complained why don't these people fly on a VIP jets. But hey, not every Govt fly their VIPs of special aircraft. It's true that a special VIP aircraft could potentially be a target of terrorist act, ditto any commercial flights.

I think the latest events (bombing in Isreal and Turkey, etc) showd it does not really matter which country, but terrorists are terrositst - they just bomd ANYTHING and ANYWHERE they like. After all, that's their primary aim - to terrorise.

And yes, Helen Clark truely showed her dignity by not making a big fuss out of this.

I think Sydney Airport has got to take a closer look at their VIP handling protocols.

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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Wed Nov 26, 2003 8:29 am


So in conclusion I was right further up the thread when I said it was Sydney Airports fault entirely for putting Helen Clark in the wrong place at the wrong time. She's not making a big deal out of it and as long as SACL learns something out of it and doesn't do it again we'll all be happy.

B-HXB - re your Clinton remark, I'm not sure about taking off his shoe but I'll bet he'd take off his belt for security if the right kind of lady asked him to.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Wed Nov 26, 2003 10:24 am

If she was unescorted, or, escorted in the wrong direction, it is not the security screeners' fault. If I was a security screener, and any of the Secretaries of something here in the US would show up as a random check, I would. It's not like I know what they look like.
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:30 am


RE:Must admit I was a little overboard abt the remarks of HC's look. Sorry and I take them back

I, also feel a bit bad about what I said about HC. She is a fine leader and I am sorry for what I said regarding her appearence.


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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:33 am

Just out of interest, is Helen Clark actually the Head of State of New Zealand, or do they have a Governor-General like Australia?
 
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:35 am

She is what Johnny Howard is to Australia. They do have a Governer General as well-can't remember her name. Dame something.
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:53 am

Dame Sylvia Cartwright is the Governor General of New Zealand. And to quote the official NZ govt's web site, The Governor-General is the personal representative of the Head of State of New Zealand, Queen Elizabeth II of New Zealand

So, that makes Ms Helen Clark, as the Prime Minister of New Zealand, the Head of Government (rather than Head of State). I guess the difference between the 2 is that Head of State does not have any political power.



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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Secur

Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:23 pm

Hey, we're used to being treated like this by our Australian brethren.

Remember, Australia was a penal colony and they still haven't fathomed the subtle pocket pick...

PM Howard will however be prepared for the fact that New Zealand is a nation of propriety and will return cultural favours, however new and unorthodox!

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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Security

Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:47 pm

I'm sure if John Howard had been visiting NZ and got frisked, then a swap for explosives, the Aussie papers would of kicked up a storm.

She is the NZ Prime Minister, regardless of the OZ-NZ rivalry, she shouldnt of been subject to a sceurity search such as that.

One would also think, that as she had arrived off another International flight, she would alrready have been airside?
 
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RE: Pm Of New Zealand Frisked At SYD Airport Secur

Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:56 pm

Qantasclub

Just read some of your earlier comments about NZ's PM. While you're wholeheartedly entitled to your opinion (I say with some mirth), I do conclude that it is the arrogance of comments like that towards smaller nations (and traditional allies) that lend very little sympathy to your nation's international standing by the people of "smaller" nations.

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