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SNA/LGB "regional Jet"-sided Aircraft

Wed Nov 26, 2003 3:47 am

I remember reading somewhere that both SNA and LGB have many unused commuter and regional jet slots.

What sided aircraft constitute regional and commuter aircraft? Would the EMB-170 and RJ-85 fit under those guidelines?


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RE: SNA/LGB "regional Jet"-sided Aircraft

Wed Nov 26, 2003 4:14 am

Regional spots, yes! Regional jets, no. The EMB-170, not actually an RJ is to heavy. The slots are for in the ballpark of 75,000lbs. Both of the aircraft you listed above are to heavy. The small planes like CRJ,EMB-135/145, and props I think to have more slots. Someone near LGB should be able to shed more light.
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RE: SNA/LGB "regional Jet"-sided Aircraft

Wed Nov 26, 2003 5:00 am

I'm not up on SNA but LGB's limit has 25 slots for aircraft defined as "commuter" which the city defines as:
""Commuter" and "commuter carrier" means a scheduled carrier, certificated under FAR Part 121 or 135, operating aircraft having a certificated maximum takeoff weight less than seventy-five thousand pounds and transporting passengers or cargo."

Currently I believe only Horizon and America West Express are operating with those slots, but Horizon's will become free when AS replaces them.

The EMB-170 is listed with a MTOW of 82,673 lbs in the standard config and 85,517 lbs for the LR. Unfortunately both models are larger than LGB would allow under the commuter slots.

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RE: SNA/LGB "regional Jet"-sided Aircraft

Wed Nov 26, 2003 10:08 am

Horizon Air operates CRJ-700's between LGB and SEA using LGB commuter slots. Alaska takes over December 14 using 737-400 and 737-700. The original plan was for AS to operate the flights themselves, but they were unable to secure slots initially, so Horizon operated the flights until AS could acquire enough slots for themselves.

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RE: SNA/LGB "regional Jet"-sided Aircraft

Thu Nov 27, 2003 5:18 am

There are no "unused commuter-slots" at SNA. FATFlyer's response on LGB is accurate. Those 25 slots are whats permitted under LGB's noise ordinance. SNA has a passenger cap that does not differentiate between commuter/regional/long-haul. Just a 'hard' limit on the passenger count.
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