applepie81
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KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:13 pm

What will KLM choose as a replacement for these types? Or are KLM gonna copy Northwest and their DC-9's and keep them forever.

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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:33 pm

No alternatives ? 717, 318 and 736 are to heavy & inefficient.
Ambraer170/190 still has some maturing to go through ..

Modern 70/100 is efficient, the fleet is expanded.

Age of aircraft : 5-8 yrs, a comparison with NWA's DC9 is strange ..


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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:39 pm

I have been several times on KLM cityhopper F70 from FRA to AMS and:

  1. the planes are very clean

  2. the planes have modern interiors

  3. the planes are very quiet, even if you sit in the last row



I therefore don't see any reason to replace them right now, they can still do well for the next 5-10 years.
 
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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:49 pm

That KLM F100 is the dirtiest plane I've ever seen operated by any decent airline. Which isn't to say it's old. I agree it's odd to compare a six year old plane to a DC9-30. On that basis KLM should replace nearly all of it's 747-400s before they get round to looking at the Fokkers.
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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:53 pm

Keep them going! Diversity yeah!!!!
 
keesje
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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Thu Nov 27, 2003 12:01 am

The dirty tail is always on this site, where the APU is.

Check out other 70/100 photo's.

Aircraft are tidy in & out for the rest.

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A330341
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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Thu Nov 27, 2003 12:26 am

This might be bit off topic,
but just like to know is there ever be a KLM Fokker 70/100 painted in basic KLM colour, so not with the cityhopper one...
 
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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Thu Nov 27, 2003 1:21 am

A330341,

I think KL is going to keep the Fokker 100/70 in Cityhopper colours.

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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Thu Nov 27, 2003 2:09 am

Steph001,
I agree in regards to the F70/100 fleet. I flew a F70 from AMS-SVG and back in Sept. and the plane and service was superior to the Martinair flight I had just dis-embarked from. The seats were roomy and the plane quiet and clean. I say they should keep them. Pilots have told me they love flying them because they handle so well and have great take-off performance.
 
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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Thu Nov 27, 2003 7:06 am

A330241,

if you look back far enough you will find F100s in the mainline livery. Of course not the new livery! For a few years the F100s where not operated by Cityhopper but by KLM themselves.
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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Thu Nov 27, 2003 7:08 am

KLM Cittyhopper Fokker 70 is a great and comfortable aircraft.
have flown many times between Rotterdam-LHR and AMS-NCE
 
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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Thu Nov 27, 2003 7:10 am

Shortly before Fairchild-Dornier went bankrupt, KLM Cityhopper apparently had signed a LoI for 30 728JET for delivery from 2005 on. However now it seems that they will keep the F70/100 for quite some time.

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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Thu Nov 27, 2003 2:56 pm

Didn't KLM recently buy 2nd hand F70s from Austrian & BMI?So, obviously they're planning to keep the F70/100 for a while.

Re...a KLM Fokker 70/100 painted in basic KLM colour...
KLM actually ordered new F100s, something like 10 aircrafts. KLM was not happy as it felt pressured to buy them. Also the F100s didn't really fit into their plans at the time (1990)
I think the F100s flew for a while in KLM colours before being sold or leased to Air Littoral. I'm not sure whether KLM Cityhopper F100s are the same as those originally ordered by KLM. I think they are. Can anybody confirm this?
 
spl
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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Thu Nov 27, 2003 9:55 pm

KLM will keep those aircraft, Fokker 70/100, for many many more years. From what I hear from all passengers who used the aircrafts, they are very happy with it. Also the pilots love to fly in it. Very nice and modern interior and easy to work with it. The cockpits from both types are almost the same. So why get ride of them? Also, KLM only recently acquired some more type Fokker 70 from BMI and Austrian Airlines. These planes have a lot of years to go in KLM's fleet!!!

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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Thu Nov 27, 2003 10:13 pm

Vulindlela744, you are right. I should also mention the great takeoff performance. I don't know if this is typical procedure, but I remember taking off with an F70 with flaps full up Smile.
 
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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Thu Nov 27, 2003 10:14 pm

Steph001, I think that's standard for the Fokkers (weather/load permitting) - I had the same experience on several flights between HAJ and VIE...
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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Fri Nov 28, 2003 1:09 am

Flaps up t/o is not very normal... however possible.


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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Fri Nov 28, 2003 1:18 am

0 flap take-off on the Fokker-100, view from the wing.


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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:43 am

A330341, looking for this:


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aviationfreak
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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Fri Nov 28, 2003 6:08 am

Question: How many F70/100`s are in service in the KLM-fleet exactly?

BTW are not all pilots enthusiastic about the planes they fly?
I love both Airbus and Boeing as much as I love aviation!
 
Going64
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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Fri Nov 28, 2003 7:12 am

KLM Cityhopper currently flies 35 70/100's and 16 50's.
 
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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Fri Nov 28, 2003 7:34 am

I personally think it is a bit presumtuous to claim the fokkerfleet is ageing- obviously with some airlines the F27's & F28's are gettin old, but as is mentioned the fokkerfleet is quite young, i believe the last delivery was in 1997 or so.

besides; one of the biggest Fokker-maintenance facilities is next door, with all the knowledge inhouse, why desperately change? I think KLM has other things to worry about. Maybe it is better to ask the next question;

What would the fokkerfleet's future look like in the next 8 years with the coming merger with AF? how would regional traffic look like to&from CDG & AMS? I do think the F50's will be phased out reanably soon, but the jets still have much potential. Why try and buy new ones if the fokker-market is being slowly vacated by large carriers, leaving many aircraft for sale at good rates. I think a bit of good old anti-cyclic investing on the part of KLM would be wise once again.

just my thoughts (yes i do like the fokkers Big grin)
 
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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Fri Nov 28, 2003 12:39 pm

I much prefer Fokkers over any type of RJ's!! They are still great aircraft, and young!
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steph001
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RE: KLM Cityhopper Fokker 70/100

Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:24 pm

Not to mention that you can sit as comfortable in a F70 as in a B737 or A320. That's not the case for the ERJ , CRJ or whatever 50-seater RJ, as far as I know.