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BA 777 In Near Miss?!

Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:55 am

Hi guys,

Catching up on the news today and come across this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/3255474.stm

Pretty close.

Justin.
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RE: BA 777 In Near Miss?!

Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:02 am

I'm glad there is TCAS.
But I think it is a growing problem in our over crowded skies.

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RE: BA 777 In Near Miss?!

Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:08 am

are we approaching system overload?
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RE: BA 777 In Near Miss?!

Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:09 am

Its not a near miss!!!! A near miss means they hit and almost missed! How many times do we have to say this?!?!?!?
(ok I feel better now)

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RE: BA 777 In Near Miss?!

Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:11 am

These alarms are triggered more than one would hope and think. It never said how far the planes were apart. Must have been a slow news day.

The pic in the article is of a 744 however.
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RE: BA 777 In Near Miss?!

Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:14 am

I really think aircraft pass as close or closer than that more often than people think. Same direction and speed, a mile and a half between them...technically but not really a "near miss". I recall several times in the past year passing closer above behind or below other aircraft.
 
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RE: BA 777 In Near Miss?!

Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:24 am

Controllers based in Hampshire said the planes were travelling in the same direction at the same speed, with at least a mile-and-a-half between them

A mile and a half laterally and no mention of the height between them.

The systems WORKED, there's no need for scare mongering.
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RE: BA 777 In Near Miss?!

Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:24 am

Can't have been that serious - controllers said that both aircraft were flying in the same direction at the same speed.

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RE: BA 777 In Near Miss?!

Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:25 am

"The National Air Traffic Service said there was no risk to passengers on board the two planes.

Controllers based in Hampshire said the planes were travelling in the same direction at the same speed, with at least a mile-and-a-half between them"


Slow news day indeed... not that close, sounds like separation standards were violated but little or no risk of collision existed. Have been closer than that before with a TCAS RA.
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RE: BA 777 In Near Miss?!

Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:27 am

Very true.

The level of technology we have and these things are still occurring!?!?!

Something's not right here......

I mean take a look on Air Nav.. For all of you that don't own it:

A screen print of what I see:

http://images4.fotki.com/v47/free/6e561/5/58555/242713/A_Nav-or.jpg

Maybe we should take a leaf out of America's book. I cant recall when I last heard about any near misses in that area.

Something needs to be done  Sad

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Edit: Problem with image so I left the URL. If it says about not being authorised, just refresh that page should work  Smile Ta.

[Edited 2003-12-02 20:36:47]
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RE: BA 777 In Near Miss?!

Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:28 am

Oh yeah its a NEAR HIT!

Any one heard that 'George Carlin - Airline Announcements' Big grin Sooo funny.

Regards,

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Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:47 am

Bah, 1.5 mile seperation. I don't get excited until I can count the bugs on the other airplane. I'd rather not be able to do that again though.
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RE: BA 777 In Near Miss?!

Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:57 am

Counting bugs could be cool  Wow! not!! Big grin

When did you come that close then Ralgha? Sounds a bit dangerous!

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RE: BA 777 In Near Miss?!

Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:20 am

Actually, I was more surprised to read that the flight, BA#202 from Detroit, was operating with a 777. It had been a 767 for quite some time.

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RE: BA 777 In Near Miss?!

Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:34 am

Stretch 8:

Your right, that flight was with a B-767-300ER for some time.

About a month ago, they switched it to a B-777-200 when they introduced New Club World and World Traveller Plus on that route.

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RE:

Wed Dec 03, 2003 6:31 am

It's happened twice actually, and I'll provide them in reverse order since the first was more exciting.

The second time I was with an instrument student in his Mooney slightly north of Albany, OR on V23 at 4000 (I think, could be wrong on the altitude), and a Citation shot by just underneath us climbing towards our 2 o'clock. It really wasn't all that close, probably 300 feet or so below us, but he quickly climbed above us after passing. Center called the traffic for us just after it passed (though Center still saw it at our 7 o'clock about) and I can't remember exactly what I replied with but it was something about him being close.

The first time I was in a Cutlass over the Columbia southeast of Scappoose, OR at about 1,500 I think. Saw something move on the edge of my periphial vision on the right, look over, and there's a twin (something like a Baron) in a 90 degree bank pulling away from me. He (she?) didn't have any bugs on his belly, but there were a lot of grease stains. If he'd (or she'd) reacted a fraction of a second later, we'd both be dead.

Both situations illustrate that scanning for traffic doesn't always work, since I was in both cases.

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RE: BA 777 In Near Miss?!

Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:12 am

Actually, near miss IS the correct term. Near is used as an adjective (meaning 'within a short distance), miss is used as a noun (meaning 'a failure to hit'). Hence, it means a miss which was near [to being a hit]. A near hit actually means the things came close, and hit each other, provided near is used in the same, spatial sense. Now, if near were to be used in the temporal sense, then 'near hit' would mean close to hitting.

As 'near miss' is both grammatically and logically correct, AND the accepted term, I don't see there is any need to jump up and down saying it is wrong every time someone says it...

English teacher mode off...

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RE: BA 777 In Near Miss?!

Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:51 pm

Well said VirginFlyer. Let's put this argument over whether it should be a "near miss" or a "near hit" to bed once and for all.

Near miss is the accepted term across the industry.
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