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Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:13 am

With the new year right around the corner, im curious to know what everyone thinks the order books will look like in 2004 for Airbus and Boeing...

I see the trend continuing. Airbus has surpassed Boeing in the order books this year. The A340-500 and A340-600 seem to be selling nicely. A318/319/320/321 are looking very good as well especially for the new low cost carriers.

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:28 am

I read that Qantas to buy 20 A-buses (Jetstar?)
It looks brighter n brighter..........
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:35 am

Perhaps an order for the 7E7 after it is offically launched early next year.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:45 am

Frontier Airlines will probably convert some or all of it's options to firm A319 orders.

Just a prediction.

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:05 am

Wasn't there talk of Aerolineas Argentineas wanting a 744?
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:10 am

BA:

You're almost certainly right. But - will they convert some of their firm A319 orders to A320's?

The contract allows them to do so. The contract (for the 15 aircraft) also requires that they lease an extra 3 x A319 or A320 from a third party lessor.

Which will it be - 319 or 320?

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:28 am

I guess that Qatar and Singapore are both planning on ordering the 773 early next year. Qatar will hopefully turn its LOI for 2 A380's into an official order. The Star Alliance order will also probobly take place early next year. I would also expect eitheer JAL or ANA to launch the 7E7 sometime next year, and a Chinese carrier to lease some A380's. There has been talk that China wants some A380's for the Olympics in 2008, and I think pretty much all the delivery slots are full until them, hence them leasing them. On that issue though when ILFC placed their order, I believe they ordered 5 passenger and 5 freighter versions, Emirates has agreed to lease 2 of the passenger versions, so that leaves only 3 available to lease.
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:35 pm

The next upcoming orders look like this :

1. Qatar ordering a dozen B 773ERs...rumored to be at DXB Airshow next week
2. Singapore Airlines ordering many B 773ERs 20004
3. British Airways ordering many B 773ERs 2004
4. JAL and ANA ordering many B 7E7s 2004

 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:44 pm

Mariner,

I think it could be either really. I remember the A320 idea was tossed around for a while, even the A321. So far nothing has happened yet, but who knows.

I think it would be smart if Frontier got the A320. They don't need many of them, but the ones they do order could be used on Frontier's higher density routes. Some of Frontier's routes which are served at 4x daily are still in very high demand and an A320 would make very much sense on those routes.

I also think there is a chance that MEA might order a couple more A321s or even A320s, and possibly a 4th A330. Who knows, we'll have to wait and see.

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:52 pm

BA:

I think the A320 is very likely, but probably not many - maybe 5?

As to MEA, how are they doing? Do they have rights to fly to the US yet - even if they don't use 'em?

What's your connection with that part of the world? I'm British, but I went to school in Jordan and Lebanon. My father worked for BOAC.

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:03 pm

Mariner,

Just what I was thinking, around 5 A320s.

As for MEA, they are doing well now. They have 6 A321-200s powered by IAE V2500s and 3 A330-200s powered by Rolls Royce Trent 700s. The oldest aircraft being delivered just last February making them have the youngest fleet in the world (easy to do with only 9 aircraft).  Big grin

They are serving 21 destinations in the Middle East, Africa, and Europe. They will report a profit of $15 million at the end of the year when back in 1998, they reported a loss of $87 million.

So MEA has come a long way in such a short period of time thanks to its genius CEO who completely turned the airline around. Mohammad El-Hout is certainly one of the greatest airline CEO's despite being heavily criticised at first for his drastic actions in restructuring MEA. He laid off 1400 employees which got him lots of criticisms. He also cut MEA's destinations from 45 to 22, got rid of the 707s and overall downsized the fleet from 13 to 9 aircraft.


It's nice to know you went to school in Jordan and Lebanon! I'm Lebanese, living in the US currently in my last year of High School.

Regards

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:21 pm

So BA you say you are finishing your last year of high school in DEN?

so am I

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:44 pm

Back to topic.

Cathay is looking for 15 second hand B744, and has also just requested prices for more regional aircraft (either A330-300 or B777-300, or like the last time, both!)

 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:27 pm

Air France orders 7E7 to replace A340-300, and eventually the A330s.

 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:35 pm

Shenzhen:

This is as likely as:

"Delta orders A330s to replace the 767s, and eventually the 777s"
 
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Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:51 pm

Britannia to order 10 7E7`s
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:56 pm

Tom,
We can all make the simple predictions SIA, JAL. ANA, BA..... I'm just making a prediciton, that few would, but has a better chance of happening then you could imagine. Especially with regards to the A340s.

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:00 pm

Air France orders 7E7 to replace A340-300, and eventually the A330s.

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:45 pm

Hey, it's all about "cross crew qualification" right.... 777 / 7E7. LOL
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:11 pm

Thomas Cook orders a A380  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:06 am

Some 717 could/sould come down the road (Turkish, Cebu Pacific, and even Star), otherwise its too late for the bird....
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:47 am

Shenzen, sure, but if this happened (AF to replace the long haul airbus fleet with Boeings), Chirac would probably take away all CDG slots from AF and request a name change in "Air America"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy)))
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:01 am

could see AF ordering 7E7... but to fill in the A310 area, not A330/A340
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:15 am

I do not see AF buying another Boeing widebody. If they are ever to fill the void left by the retired A310s, they simply will order brand new A310s (the line is still open)
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:16 am

5neoo...

i assume you are joking, as AF is a large customer of Boeing's 777 and 747 lines...and plan to continue operating/ordering 777's...
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:19 am

I think you misunderstood me. I do not see them ordering a new "line" of Boeing widebody's. Am sure they will still order new 777's and maybe 747's
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:29 am

If they are ever to fill the void left by the retired A310s, they simply will order brand new A310s (the line is still open)

Great idea,
replace yesterdecade's technology with... yesterdecade's technology! Geez, why hasn't AF contacted you?!  Laugh out loud
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:29 am

The next big splash will be launch orders for the 7E7 program. Boeing may have to get creative, however, and take back a slug of 757s and 767s in trade. 7E7 launch customers in the order of probability:

1) JAL
2) Singapore
3) British Airways
4) KAL
5) Alitaila
6) ANA
7) Qantas
8) ANZ
9) Delta
10) American

I think it will take a minimum of two airlines and 30 orders to get the 7E7 program into production.

 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:37 am

NW finallys orders 50 firm 712s and 713s and 50 options to support retirement of the oldest fleet in existence ....  Big grin
 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Thu Dec 04, 2003 6:16 am

replace yesterdecade's technology with... yesterdecade's technology! Geez, why hasn't AF contacted you?!

As much as I would like to be in the know as to what aircraft AF will order next, I am not (and nor are you). Judging by the number of posts you have on this website you seem to be an intelligent person, hence you are well aware of the fact that airlines do not order planes for the sole reason of efficiency. Maybe it's going to be the A310, maybe the 7E7. I guess time will eventually tell.
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Thu Dec 04, 2003 7:10 am

I hope Philippine Airlines add more A340's or maybe A330's or A320's. I think there fleet utilization is pretty high up there. New wide body Airbus aircraft can pave the way for more routes to the Middle East which I think Riyadh is not enough as the sole city in the Middle east. India should be served too.

I want them to open a route to Beijing, so A320's would be warranted, they use to have 4 one crashed a couple of years ago so only 3 are in the inventory.

Maybe even the lease of additional B734 could be good as lease rates might be cheap due to a lot of them being out in the dessert.

5th B744 arrives this week and hopefully a 6th will come to fruitation in the next couple of months.

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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:04 pm

My predictions for next year
AirTran orders 15 additional 717-200s.
Virgin USA orders 25 737-800s (with 25 options)
bmi British Midland orders 4 A330-200s.
JetBlue orders 25 A321s.

 
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:13 pm

I think A-bus will beat out Boeing for another year or so, until the 7e7 design reaches a more final stage, and the airlines can get a good look at how it is expected to perform. Then they'll say the 7e7 is expected to out-perform anything in its class and bam, Boeing goes back on top as the orders come in from the 767 costomers looking to replace their Boeing 767s with another Boeing, as opposed to going to the Airbus A330 series.


Maybe not tooootally realistic but I sure hope it happens something like that!
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RE: Airbus And Boeing Orders In 2004

Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:06 pm

Srbmod:
Jetblue will certainly not be ordering the A321, even though the plane would work very well for its New York-Florida routes. They are sticking with the A320 and the Emb-190.

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