applepie81
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Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:23 am

What does the future have in store for Cambridge Airport from the point of view of pax flights? There have been no scheduled services ever since the Suckling/Scot Airways Do-228 Manchester and Amsterdam stopped in the late nineties. There has been occasional charter services due to the Newmarket Race Course and famous University.
I think the airport is too close to the Ryanair hub at Stansted and the Easyjet hub at Luton to attract any interest from carriers.
I think that Flybe could fill a summer Jersey service with a DH4, but apart from that it's hard to think who could start up services due to the nearby low cost bases. Also the small apron and tiny terminal is another factor.


Other UK airports currently not seeing much growth are the following, could somebody please put thoughts on what routes they think the following could cater.

Barrow: Remember Air Furness?
Bembridge
Biggin Hill: Potential to be another London airport.
Blackbushe: What routes did Dan-Air fly from here?
Brough: Was there apparantly scheduled flights here once? (Hull Airport)
Carlisle
Coventry
Dundee
Gloucestershire
Haverfordwest: Could give Swansea a run for it's money.
Ipswich: Does this airport still exist? 748 operated out of here (grass runway)
Lydd
Manston
Northolt: Bye bye if 3rd runway?
Pembrey: What ever happened to those Air Wales flights planned?
Sheffield: Why have all the flights stopped here?
Shoreham: What was the point in that runway extension?
Southend: Is this airport closing down soon?
 
airways1
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:36 am

I read that some company was considering starting flights between Oxford and Cambridge to cater for the large traffic between the universities. It currently takes 3 hours or more on the road.
 
applepie81
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:43 am

It'd probably be nothing more than a once weekly Cessna Titan flight. The road links aren't excellent but Oxford and Cambridge are too close to support any commercial flights.
 
Ant72LBA
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Thu Dec 04, 2003 9:22 am

Leeds Bradford? Too close to Manchester, crap situation (weather, transport, etc). Wouldn't like to see it but if Jet2 and BMi left there wouldn't be much to keep it going through the winters. An RAF C-17 was practicing approaches there for a good chunk of the afternoon on Wednesday, not exactly busy otherwise.
 
JETSET123
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:23 am

Ant72

Leeds would have half a chance if they could get a CAT III on runway 14. This would prevent many diversions due to the tailwind factor on 32.

As far as Manchester is concerned, its always been there and Leeds has survived even if most people in Yorkshire choose to fly from Manchester.

The one to watch could be Finningley if there is a drain of serves from Leeds. Interesting times.

Jason - London
 
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:24 pm

Biggin Hill does have a problem with its local community which has forbidden commercial flights where seats are sold individually.
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acefreighter
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:58 pm

Shoreham

The hard runway was not for scheduled flights. It was to accomodate the growing GA movements and overcome the frequent waterlogging of the grass runways due to the low land next to the river. Could still take Dash 8's etc anyway if things looked up. Too close to LGW and SOU for any significant scheduled ops.

Great little airport - certainly not a no-hoper !
 
ben
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Thu Dec 04, 2003 9:44 pm

Ipswich is closed... dead and buried beneath a new housing development. It's still listed as a closed airfield (for visual nav purposes) on CAA charts, but I have only been able to see it when told where it was by a pilot who once flew there. It's absolutely unrecognisable.

Cambridge is a nice airfield. Never been to the regular passenger terminal, but the GA terminal needs replacing! Very professional ATC there, and some interesting movements. I've seen Do-228's, Saab-340's, Norwegian AF C130's, some ex-Ansett A320's, an Alitalia 777 (!!) and others... all visiting Marshall Aerospace I guess.

Everyone forgetting about Norwich? That always seems to me like it has far too much infrastructure for the number of flights it handles. I think it could take more. To bad it's got a limited catchment area, stuck all the way up there in a corner.
 
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Thu Dec 04, 2003 9:53 pm

My thoughts...

Firstly, none are a 'no hoper' - all have a role to fulfil, though, the opportunity to operate regular charter or schedule flights may well be remote.

Barrow: No chance... not enough people, too isolated, local industry (shipbuilding) gone
Bembridge: No chance...would enough people want to fly to London / Manchester to make a route viable?
Biggin Hill: See Thomas Jaeger's comments
Blackbushe: So long ago since anyone flew anywhere from here. GA field, simple as that
Brough: Didn't realise it still existed - a GA field again...
Carlisle : Just maybe, scope for flights to Dublin?. If the railways don't show significant improvement, then just maybe, London?
Coventry : Scope to develop as Birmingham South!
Dundee : Just doesn't seem to be enough support for sched or IT services
Gloucestershire : Too close to Bristol, Birmingham or Cardiff to make it a viable proposition for significant development
Haverfordwest: No chance. Lots more people in and around Swansea.
Ipswich: Gone?
Manston : Another one with scope to develop - certainly has some of the facilities
Northolt: Primarily a mil airfield so it will remain
Pembrey: Swansea a much better bet
Sheffield: White elephant
Shoreham: Good GA field, thats it
Southend: Under risk, but scope given the history
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applepie81
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Fri Dec 05, 2003 1:44 am

My thoughts and ideas..........

Barrow: Industry is dead in the error and not mutch people live nearby but i think Flykeen could do something with their Bandeirante here, perhaps an IOM or something.

Bembridge: Mega short runway but the Rockhopper or Aurigny Trislanders might interest locals in flying to the Channel Islands.

Biggin Hill: Lift the scheduled flight ban and get Eastern Airways Jetstreams in here to keep with the GA theme. Carlisle was served once could happen again. Poor transport links but within the London catchment area.

Blackbushe: Within the London catchment but with a short runway. Only thing i could think of is perhaps Jersey summer IT flights with the SD-360.

Brough: Runway way to short and has obstructions at end, not practical for anything bigger than a cessna and too close to Humberside Intl.

Carlisle: Runway is a good 6,000ft, but is narrow and has severly displaced thresholds, could support Eastern Airways Jetstream/ Scot Airways DO-328 flights to London, and summer IT flights to Channel Islands with the Aurigny SF-340. What

Coventry: To Coventry city citizens, Coventry Airport is now Birmingham airport, but i think a low cost carrier could operate on a limited frequency from here to the likes of Paris/Brussels (think Ryanair). The runway is a bit tight, but summer IT flights to the med could happen to relieve BHX a bit. Big catchment area.

Dundee: A city of 200,000 with only 1 link to LCY with Scot Airways. Bring back the Eastern flights to MAN, and reduce the fares. Flybe could base a DH2 here for flights to INV & BHX.

Gloucestershire: Currenty i think an Aurigny SD360 does summer only Jersey flights. Too close to BRS/BHX/CWL and runway too short so little ideas.

Haverfordwest: I'm sure if they tried hard enough Air Wales could do something here, like offer an alternative to Swansea in some cases.

Ipswich: A real waste, now the residents have no choice but to drive an hour to Stansted to catch Ryanair. If they'd only but down tarmac runways and somebody had started something to Holland.

Manston: This one is tricky, too far from London, too poor road links but i'm sure the local population could support a few more IT flights.

Northolt: What was there before Heathrow? Northolt is the answer. London is on its doorstep, and an evil low cost could start a limited service here to the likes of Paris to annoy the Heathrow carriers down the road.

Pembrey: silly dinky runway, and too close to Swansea, Do Air Wales still have the Do-228, i think not, so nothing can come of it.

Sheffield: Flybe should also base a DH2 here for LCY, Channel Islands and BHD.

Shoreham: Does somebody still operate Trislanders here to Normandy? if not they should do.

Southend: Too close to STN, too close to LCY, but the Channel Islands flights remain. But can't think of any ideas for this 1.
 
gkirk
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:06 am

Lets see...Carlisle.
A while back a report on the news said a J41 operator wanted to start Flights from Carlisle to...Belfast, Dublin, Cork, London Stansted and Paris.
Nothings happened so far though...
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CKT789
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Fri Dec 05, 2003 4:34 pm

Carlisle Airport was sold a couple of years ago to an Irish Millionaire from Dublin. The plan originally was to concentrate on the business traffic, but as you say Gkirk there are plans to set up a airline to operate flights. The small terminal has been upgraded with new check-in desks and there was talk of the runway being upgraded so that 737's could be handled with a full load.

Carlisle could handle flights to London, so long as its a major London airport, not Biggin Hill (which Lakeside Aviation used for a time from Carlisle in the 90's). It would also need to be promoted (another downfall of Lakeside's flights). There is a large Irish contingent in town as well (the football club is irish owned - but please don't mention our results for this season!) which could support the Dublin and Belfast flights. Not sure about Paris though?

Also, the rail link to London is not the best at the moment, so now would be a good time to take advantage and move in.

Also, given that the Lake District is only 25 miles away surely there could be some tourist traffic there in addition to the business traffic.

If Eastern is listening, launch flights from Carlisle!
 
Delboy
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Fri Dec 05, 2003 5:55 pm

Watch out for some exciting news (only if you spot there) about Coventry airport, hopefully in the early part of 2004.

Someone has already hinted at it on this thread.
 
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Fri Dec 05, 2003 7:03 pm

Northolt is in an excellent position of London. Why it's just a military airport housing the Queens Flight I will never know. It has so much potential in that they can connect it with rail, road, and underground and there you go...a much closer airport to Heathrow and decent connections....
 
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:22 pm

Im going my work experiance at Southend next week!  Big thumbs up Big grin

At southend there is one flight a week to Jersey, and thats it, apart from the private and maintanance facilities. Southend was going to get expanded to be more like a regional airport, but becuase of a church, that thery cant move, they are not.

Hopefully, it will stay open for years and years to come.

Cheers

Simon
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:37 pm

CWL is a no-hoper, way too close to BRS  Big grin  Big grin  Big grin.

 
Delboy
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Fri Dec 19, 2003 6:28 pm


Everyone now knows its the new Britannia low cost operation. Couldn't give too much away in my previous post as I was sworn to secrecy.

Don't know how long it will last, the airport does not have the necessary infrastructure in place to support this kind of operation. Imagine if your flight is delayed, one tea machine for 100 passengers, not too many loos etc etc.
 
CKT789
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Fri Dec 19, 2003 6:36 pm

Airplanepics - There is an article in Air Pictorial this month about the expansion plans at Southend.
 
LBA
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Fri Dec 19, 2003 7:43 pm

ant72LBA - your argument about how quiet LBA would be without Jet2 and BMI applies to any airport and is totally invalid. What if Easyjet left Liverpool, what if Ryanair left Stansted, what if BMIbaby left EMA? The fact these companies continue to expand services indicates there is a market and LBA, pax numbers doubled from 1 to 2m in a few years, by 2030 it is expected to handle 7m pax and a 300m runway extension is proposed.

As for location Leeds is close to Manchester, but Glasgow is close to Edinburgh, Stansted is close to Luton, Birmingham is close to EMA, but all of them survive.

The biggest white elephant must be Sheffield and it must be questioned why the runway wasn't built long enough to accommodate larger jet aircraft.
 
applepie81
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Fri Dec 19, 2003 8:04 pm

I am surprised that Thomsonfly have decided on Coventry as a base. They will be using 737-500's for the operation and seats are now being sold to Ibiza, Jersey, Malaga, Marseille, Naples, Nice, Palma, Pisa, Rome, Valencia and Venice. Quite a brave list of destinations for a startup.
What facilities does Coventry currently have to cater for this airline? How big is the terminal? How many 737's can they park on the ramp?
Also, those 737's will have a lot of wear and tear on those engines as about every flight from Coventry will need full thrust take-off's. Runway is 5,300ft, but has a starter extension at one end allowing around 6,000ft take off run for rwy 23 only.
 
LGW
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RE: Cambridge Airport And Other No Hope UK Airports

Fri Dec 19, 2003 9:04 pm

LGW may as well join the list of no hope airports if Alistair Darling has his way!

Ben Pritchard

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