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Dual Jetways

Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:12 pm

Here in AUS, we have a single gate (7 I believe) that has a dual jetway for WN. When do they use this (I have never seen it used...watched a whole lot though) and why isn't this used for larger aircraft types...777, 744...etc? What other airports have dual jetways? I think I remember seeing a 747 boarding top/bottom one time, but I am not sure where. It was probably 15-20 years ago though...I was still kinda young...

Just a nice diversion from the "whos better" "which is better" "who has the best" topics....should create a "best of the best" forum...
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:47 pm

Do a search. About a month ago or so there was a big thread on airports with dual jetways.

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RE: Dual Jetways

Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:51 pm

Hope you could find something searching the forum...

It's usually common to find dual jetways at major and most modern airports. For example, the new superb terminal at MAD will have a lot of them. LHR, FRA, CDG just to name a few, aswell as several asian airports.


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RE: Dual Jetways

Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:54 pm

Most major airports have jetways.

Even many not major airports have them.

They've become quite common.

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RE: Dual Jetways

Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:13 pm

Um....BA if you read the question, you'd find that it was not about single jetways, like you responded, but about dual jetways, you know: one way to board at the front, one at the back. Try reading before being an @$$h0!e!

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RE: Dual Jetways

Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:15 pm

I remember seeing dual jetways in JFK a few years ago, I believe it was the PanAm terminal. These were designed for the 747's and one jetway would go right over the left wing and access I believe the overwing exit.
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RE: Dual Jetways

Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:24 pm

LAX and SFO used to use dual jetways. Now those gates are served with smaller aircraft and are called gate XX-A and XX-B. In a book I have somewhere there's a picture of a terminal at SFO surrounded by 707s and DC-8s with jetways attached to both the front and rear doors. I had heard WN was going to experiment with dual jetways at some of their Texas stations to see if they would speed up the turn.
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:57 pm

Dual jetways are fairly common at the intl terminal in Sydney, but now also at the QF domestic termial for the A330's - but they are being taken off the domestic fleet and put into the intl fleet so not sure if the 767's will be able to utilise these....
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:17 pm

Dual jetways at Sydney's international terminal? Is that new?
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:21 pm

Not sure - not all the gates but the gate I used in 2002 to board a QF 747 had dual bridges, one for business class and one for economy but can't remember what the gate number was.
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:49 pm

Ted, I've never seen or used a dual aerobridge arrangement at Sydney!
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:00 pm

Sydney's dual airbridges were specifically installed in sync with the delivery of the QF A330-200.


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The dual airbridge for a 737 requires careful lowering over the wing, and I heard WN was investigating them, but WestJet was the first to try it.

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RE: Dual Jetways

Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:01 pm

I used the dual jetway one night a few weeks ago on a flight from HOU to AUS. We arrived in Austin about 7:30PM, and since I was sitting in the back of the 737, I deplaned using the rear jetway. It doesn't really save that much time, since it takes them a few extra minutes to maneuver the dual jetway and connect it to the plane. Also, I've been told that one of Southwest's 737's was damaged a few months ago when one of the jetway operators hit a wing while trying to maneuver the rear jetway. You need to raise the jetway to different heights to clear a 732 vs 735 vs 73G wing, and I think they were using the wrong setting for the type of airplane they were connecting to when the accident occured.
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Thu Dec 04, 2003 7:31 pm

I should have specified for Ted, I was referring to the ITB, Terminal 3 certainly has them, we park at them quite often with a useless bridge hanging in space, even on the 767-336.
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Thu Dec 04, 2003 9:01 pm

I have used the dual jetway at AUS several times; I think it is mostly used for DAL-AUS flights. I have only de-planed from it, I have never boarded with it (I don't even know if they use it for boarding). I enjoyed the convenience of it, because one of my pet peeves is airline passengers to take forever to get off the plane. However, if what KAUS said is true, WN might want to reconsider it.

I think the wide-body dual jetway concept, which is much different from the bridge at AUS, is probably more useful. Boarding a 777 through a single jetway is a nightmare sometimes, I can't imagine boarding a 747 or A380 through a single gate (does anyone know ... will all A380 gates have dual jetways?)
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RE: Dual Jetways

Thu Dec 04, 2003 9:56 pm

Ted747 - are you sure of that? I am 99% sure there are no dual airbridges at Sydney's International Terminal. I have wandered around the place often enough, and I am sure I would have noticed them. I can't find any photographic evidence in any Airport Overview photos on this site, either.

It is rather unfortunate that the A330s are leaving domestic routes, given the money invested in the dual airbridges at Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane (and I am assuming they have them in Perth too). I wonder if these airbridges will be reconfigured (if that is required) to work with the ex-BA 767-300s, which have two left hand entry doors forward of the wing?

As for the question about the A380, Airbus has stated in a number of statements that it sees dual airbridges as being important to the fast turn around of such an aircraft. Passengers for the upper deck would board through the forward door, while those for the lower deck would board through the second door.

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RE: Dual Jetways

Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:07 pm

Amsterdam (EHAM.AMS) has dual-jetways on the F and G-concourse
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:13 pm

DTW has them for the WorldGateway Terminal. I don't believe I have seen a Northwest widebody there without using the dual jetway (747, DC-10, A333) though I am sure once in a while they do not use them.

I flew out of DTW last Thursday on a 752 out of one of the gates with duals. While they did not hook up both jetways at the gate, it was nice to load through the further one which was connected to the second door back on the plane. Unfortunately they did not do the same in BOS so I had to use my legs for the walk through first class cabin.
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RE: Dual Jetways

Fri Dec 05, 2003 5:21 am

I knew that SFO had them, or maybe still does, at least in the United concourse. Gate 80, 81, maybe 82 in the north terminal rings a bell. It was all one single movable structure, but with two separate walkways...one for door 1 on a 747, and the other for door 2. Sometimes UA used them both, other times they used just the one for door 2.

Not sure if this is still common practice at SFO for United.
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RE: Dual Jetways

Fri Dec 05, 2003 5:29 am

DEN has them too on Concourse B for the United 777s.  Smile
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Fri Dec 05, 2003 6:00 am

I think you're all missing the point. Dual jetways on a 747,757,767,777,or Airbus widebody are very different from dual jetway usage on a 737. In the former case, both jetways access doors ahead of the wing, whereas in the latter scenario, you have one jetway in front of the wing, and one behind it. It's much trickier since you have that annoying wing in the middle and therefore much less common. Most airports that receive international flights have a few dual jetway bridges for widebodies but very few airports have dual bridges for aircraft with only two large exit doors separated by a wing. There used to be a lot more of them in the 707-DC8 era but they take up a lot of space and it's difficult to position a plane in and out of a stand for that kind of operation.
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RE: Dual Jetways

Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:49 am

Currently we (WN) have dual jetways that swing out over the wing at AUS, DAL, and ALB. The AUS and DAL ones are an older type that will not clear our winglets. The 2 at ALB are a newer design and will work with the winglets, they were just installed last week.

The last I heard the company is still evaluating the potential for adding more of the dual bridges. It does save several minutes off the deboarding/boarding process.
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Fri Dec 05, 2003 1:22 pm

SWABubba - Can you tell me the gate numbers of the dual jetways at AUS and DAL? I'll be flying HOU-DAL-MAF at Christmas and want to check out and take pictures of the equipment. I flew a flight from HOU-AUS-MAF and they dual boarded the aircraft and I was amazed as I didn't know this was even being considered.

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RE: Dual Jetways

Fri Dec 05, 2003 1:39 pm

And here we are like a bunch of yahoos with only 1 jetway in the whole yukon, if you dont get it then guess who gets to walk all the way to the front of the plane then go all the way down those monster stairs then believe it or not accually manage to walk all the way into the terminal and back upstairs... makes ya tired reading dont it eh.... ( I have never been on n aircraft hooked up with 2 jetways)


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RE: Dual Jetways

Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:48 pm

I think that there may be a bit of confusion with regard to the term "dual" jetbridges. Indeed, many airports throughout the world have jetbridges with two arms, used on widebodied aircraft. One arm extends to the extreme forward part of the cabin for premium passengers (first/business). The second arm extends to the second door just aft of the wing for remaining passengers. This is illustrated here:


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However, there exists at some airports over-the-wing (OTW) jetbridges that extend all way to the second to the rear, or rear, door of the aircraft.


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As illustrated, JFK's Terminal 4 used to have these types of jet bridges, though they were hardly ever used in dual form. AMS does use these kinds of jetbridges regularly. Both WestJet and Southwest are experimenting with these types of jetbridges in order to decrease the time it takes to board and offload passengers. Southwest is piloting their use at Austin, and WestJet at Calgary. A really great link explaining this technology can be found here: http://www.dewbridge.com/products/otw.html
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RE: Dual Jetways

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:17 pm

Planenutz Thank you for the dewbride website. For yers I've been trying to g=find on Anet a pic of narrowbodiy OTW bridges. UA has been very interested in them for a long time. UA engineers are given to fits about a loading bridge over the wing. hey are also intersted in useing the left and right side of wide bodies to better use the two aisles on the aircraft. I saw some ideas they had for OTW bridges that WN was using. But I never could get a picture. That website was perfect.
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RE: Dual Jetways

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:52 pm



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RE: Dual Jetways

Sat Dec 06, 2003 3:46 pm

The picture I saw of dual airbridges at SFO had the planes parked sideways to the terminal instead of nose in. Granted this was probably from sometime in the 60s and parking space wasn't at the premium it is now. I seem to recall on my flight to AMS back in the 80s we parked at the terminal the same way and didn't need a push back when it was time to leave.
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Sun Dec 07, 2003 12:20 am

PHL has a few in terminal A. BAck when USAirways didn't have the new International Terminal, all int'l carriers including US had to use terminal A. with exception of departures from AF, and flights to canada. I would arrive at gate A4 from Dallas on American, obviously a domestic flight, but i noticed a closed staircase leading down to customs, which was used when the gate served several In'tl USAirways flights. Now, I think gate A9 is the only one used for bothe Int'l and domestic flights.
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:31 am

Years ago, it was common to use 2 jet bridges to load 707s and DC-8s, but the plane was parked parallel to the concourse, which took a lot of space.

I think the reason that Southwest and WestJet can use dual bridges is that their 737s only have one galley, located in the front. For carriers like AA, UA, and DL, their is a rear galley that is on the port side. Putting the galley on the starboard side isn't an option, because the catering truck couldn't fit with the cargo loader for the rear hold.
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Sun Dec 07, 2003 4:48 am

About the OTW Dual jetbridges at JFK, can anyone explain why they seem too high to fit on any aircraft door and why they are enclosed in a concrete structure. I have also never seen any of them in use during my time at JFK and in pictures. Anyone know why?
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Sun Dec 07, 2003 5:37 am

I once saw a brochure from MCDD about the MD-90 and one artists impression had a jetway at the aft door and going over the wing. The picture was remarked with "MD-90 use in a high-capacity shuttle environment can use dual jetway loading where available. Allowing full servicing of the aircraft in less time." It shows a galley service vehicle opposite and a baggage loader about 5' forward of that. Now this was drawn in the mid 90s, before the MD90 was built (it shows it with double bogie maingear and MD80/DC9 pointed tailcone. Also it shows a more typical half covered nacelle instead of the full length one on the IAeV2500) so i doubt this was ever used, but its still interesting.
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RE: Dual Jetways

Sun Dec 07, 2003 6:33 am

I think the reason that Southwest and WestJet can use dual bridges is that their 737s only have one galley, located in the front. For carriers like AA, UA, and DL, their is a rear galley that is on the port side. Putting the galley on the starboard side isn't an option, because the catering truck couldn't fit with the cargo loader for the rear hold.

There's room at the rear for the ULD loader and catering truck to be side-by-side, on types like the 767 and A330. Done it many times myself.

The dual jetways on a 737 force the catering truck to service from the R Aft door, putting them into conflict with the guys loading downstairs. This is a drawback of the DEW overwing bridges.

And, if WestJet has their galleys at the back.... well, that's a lot of work for their catering guys - since they only take their catering trucks to the rear doors. At least, that's what's done in YYC....
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RE: Dual Jetways

Sun Dec 07, 2003 7:15 am

Expressjetohx:

The OTW jetbridges at JFK's T4 lower from their raised position. They remain elevated at the "elbow" directly over the wing. I tried to find a pic in the database that displays one of these jetbridges in use, but so far no luck.


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RE: Dual Jetways

Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:26 am


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RE: Dual Jetways

Sun Dec 07, 2003 11:52 am

I think NRT also has some gates that have Dual Jetways. I remember using one when boarded a flight JAL B-747-300 from NRT to BNE.
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Sun Dec 07, 2003 12:00 pm

Have a look at the top left on this photo at AMS for a KLM MD-11

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RE: Dual Jetways

Sun Dec 07, 2003 12:29 pm

I do know that every gate at SFO's new Concourse A and Concourse G sport dual jetwalks, given that they designed to serve 747-400's. The gates at the end of these two concourses have 80 x 80 "box" spacing and are designed specifically to accommodate the A380-800.  Smile
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Sun Dec 07, 2003 2:36 pm

Here's a better pic of the OTW jetways at JFK's T4:


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RE: Dual Jetways

Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:03 pm

CKFred - All WN 73X planes I've flown on over the last ten years had a starboard aft galley. The flight I was on that dual boarded was from HOU-AUS-MAF and boarded also from the port aft door.
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:42 am

"I think the reason that Southwest and WestJet can use dual bridges is that their 737s only have one galley, located in the front."

Actually WestJet does have galleys at the front and rear of our aircraft. When using a dual jetway, it's not much different than when we ground load using front and aft stairs. They simply position the catering vehicle at the R2 door. Since we only serve snacks and beverages, it's not such a big deal.
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Tue Dec 09, 2003 2:04 am

WN also has galleys on the right side at the front and rear. There is plenty of room for two provisioning trucks and two belt loaders on the right side of the aircraft, they don't conflict with each other.

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I think the dual jetways are at gate 9 at AUS and gate 8 at DAL, but I'll have to check my Jeps to be sure (they're at the airport). Enjoy the flight!
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Tue Dec 09, 2003 5:16 am

I e-mailed the DFW airport board and they said NONE of the new gates at the new international terminal will have dual jetways.
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Tue Dec 09, 2003 8:45 am

Does anyone know how much WestJet or Southwest is investing to build their dual jetbridges?
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Tue Dec 09, 2003 3:24 pm

SWABubba - Thanks for the info. I took a bad picture that shows the aft bridge when the FA opened the aft port door on our 1-stop at AUS and let me take a picture but it's a new cheap digital camera and I'm not used to how long I have to hold the camera still in low light before it finishes exposing so the focus is poor. I'm an old film guy and digital cameras are very different. I should have time on my Christmas DAL stop to get some good pictures. Always love flying with WN, especially at Christmas.
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:45 am

WestJet has paid nothing for the dual bridge in YYC - DEW paid for its installation and has since paid its maintenance. In fact, I was told WestJet got a referral fee when YVR and YHM purchased more of them from DEW.....

I heard that the DEW bridge in YYC is undergoing an extensive refit and was out-of-service for a couple weeks late last month. Hopefully the refit will solve some minor reliability issues which have crept up since its initial installation.... but hey, it's a completely new bridge design, so there's bound to be some I suppose.
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RE: Dual Jetways

Wed Dec 10, 2003 10:24 am

Hi - is it possible that there is a single jetway that then splits in two closer to the aircraft?

We were flying j class on a 747-300, we boarded first and the jetway was split in two via a rope/cord barrier. One side for business, other side for economy. Once we got closer to the aircraft it split in two, one leading to the first door, other leading to the second door. The gate was in the north terminal, kinda below the new observation deck bar towards the cargo end of the terminal - maybe I was dreaming as I had a few bevies in the Qantas club bar for departing! Sorry for all the hassle.

 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Wed Dec 10, 2003 10:37 am

I will be able to post for certain what gate at AUS has the dual jetway, I will be flying AUS-IAH-LAS (on CO of course) so when I return, I will give the information, unless someone beats me to it.

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RE: Dual Jetways

Wed Dec 10, 2003 1:58 pm

Tcfc424 - That's great. Between us we'll nail down what's going on at AUS and DAL with dual board gates. It's interesting to me as a concept but also because I sit in the rear of the plane and am always the last to deplane. Hopefully they'll expand it to the new concourse at HOU.
 
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RE: Dual Jetways

Wed Dec 10, 2003 2:11 pm

I know that YYC has a single dual jetway attatched to the new terminal that Westjet uses Gate D50 I do believe. I have seen on occasion a Westjet 737-700 and a 737-200 use it with the jetways connected at both the front passenger entrance and the rear passenger entrance.
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