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Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:25 pm

 
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:39 pm

I'm speechless! Gerona airport is becoming a very busy airport... of ryanair traffic! But still no routes to Scandinavia, quite a expensive destination from Spain.
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Thu Dec 04, 2003 9:50 pm

The title of this thread is very misleading, Girona is now where near Barcelona at all. Obviously no blame to the starter of the topic, afterall we are talking about Ryanair here.

The last paragraph of the article of wich a link is provided in the starter post really put a big smile on my face.

'To celebrate the launch of our 2 new bases and a total of 20 new daily routes, ryanair is holding the mother of all januari Seats Sales*- WE PAY YOUR TAXES! 1 million seats available'

What a joker you are O'Leary and... WE PAY YOUR TAXES, hopefully the European commision can make an end to this illegal practices.
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:15 pm

Eeeh... I agree:

Girona is not near Barcelona at all... It is 100 kms away. No blame though on SVG, who posts what Ryanair calls "Barcelona Girona Airport". Well, at least, as far as I know, if you wish to go to Barcelona after a flight to Girona on RYR, they have a free bus service.

As for the "illegal practices" on tax payment, let me tell you that: the taxes they pay for you are the airport ones, and those are not "taxes" of the impositive kind, that go to the Ministry of Economy. It is "airport service".
Nevertheless, if you, having a business, must pay a tax, provided it is the amount demanded and with your fiscal identification number, anybody can pay any kind of taxes on behalf of you.

Enjoy turbulences!!!
 
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Thu Dec 04, 2003 11:10 pm

Airport locations.... well, there are many airports which are called in misleading ways or which are very far from the cities they supposedly serve. As an example in my country, MXP Malpensa is not anywhere near Milan even if it is quite well connected now they have the train... and Orio al Serio is actually the airport of Bergamo, a city close to Milan (about 50 km or so) but which is a provincial capital in its own right. Yet it is in my opinion even less convenient than MXP as it is not well connected.. yet now most airlines call it "Milan".. Also in Japan calling NRT "Tokyo" is a joke...
 
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Thu Dec 04, 2003 11:16 pm

Also in Japan calling NRT "Tokyo" is a joke...

I've been in Tokyo last week and yes, NRT is far, but if you consider how large is the Tokyo metropolitan area, so, it's not so far. At least is not in the middle of nowhere Big grin
 
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Thu Dec 04, 2003 11:35 pm

True (even if there's not much around Narita), and Haneda was much much closer to Tokyo than Narita. I would guess NRT is farther away from Tokyo (for example from Ueno or Shinjuku) than Gerona is from the center of Barcelona. I was in both places, the difference is that I drove from Gerona to Barcelona while I took the Narita Express from NRT to Tokyo, and Japanese trains are really fast.
 
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 12:00 am

Shinjuko-NRT is 80 minutes by train.

Last Monday (it was bank holiday, so less traffic) from Shinjuku (Keio Plaza) to NRT terminal 2, it took by car just 70 minutes.
 
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 12:44 am

That bus from Girona to Barcelona is by NO MEANS FREE!!!!!!
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 12:56 am

Airblue thanks for the info. I really did not imagine it could be this fast by car, even considered the speed limits.. (which anyway not everybody respects). Let's see, from Girona to BCN it took me two hours, but it does not count because there had been a terrible accident in the highway so I went at less than 50kph hald of the time..
 
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 1:06 am

Girona (Airport) to Barcelona, is about 90 Km's and by the highway takes about 45 min. by car. (In Spain also not everybody respects the speed limits)
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 1:26 am

How can you call airport 90 km from Barcelona "Barcelona"? That is disgusting.
 
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:37 am

LoL 90 km in 45 minutes means a 180 kmh average! For the metrically challenged Americans that is more than 110mph :P While I have driven at that speed (ummh, and more) keeping that average would be difficult and besides if I had driven like that while in vacation with my girlfriend I would have become single as soon as we had arrived in Barcelona!

Danny: true it is a stretch calling it "Barcelona airport" but in the world there are many airports which are that far and even more distant than that from the cities they are named after. And most of that is not Ryan air's fault (again, NRT comes to mind)
 
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 4:52 am

I would personally always prefer Orio al Serio over Malpensa because in Orio you have very short ways from the bus station to check-in and then to the aircraft and back while Malpensa is always quite messy and there are very long ways.
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 6:23 am

Trying to get a bus from central Barcelona to Girona is a nightmare! - not helped by a part of Barcelona City being called Girona as well!

I was in Barcelona 6 weeks ago, I flew easyJet, and paid 15 Euro's for a taxi to the city centre, some friends flew Ryan to Girona, and paid 100 Euro's.

With all the hassle and time involved, I'd fly Easy/BA on this route to BCN any day of the week over Ryan through Girona.

Ironically, the easyJet flight was also worked out cheaper than Ryan and BA on that particular day as well.

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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 6:33 am

Typical Ryan Air...

Cheap Fare.... 100 km or so from city... The taxi fare will have made you think twice, and paid a little extra to have flown on BA, or IB!

Hopefully, Ryanair will be confronted on this issue as they were confronted when the far off and distant Hahn was brought into play!

The Ryan-Airization and Virgin-ization needs to stop! Blah..Blah... same rubbish every week! Ryan starts three new routes and drops five others.. British Airways adds a route to the U.S. and Vigin Atlantic and baby Branson go and cry to mummy... "it isnt fair".... do get over it!


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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 6:37 am

And of course Stansted, Luton and Gatwick are nowhere near London!
 
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 6:50 am

Gamarocchi - brutal math! Driving 180km/h for 45 minutes is 135 km, not 90 km. Thus, you would only have to drive 120 km/h to travel 90km. Much more reasonable!

"How can you call airport 90 km from Barcelona "Barcelona"? That is disgusting."

Danny - there are many disgusting things in this world. Misleading advertisement is hardly one of them. Calm down, or you'll get an ulcer!

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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 7:17 am

Lymanm: I should not be allowed to write anything about any issue at the end of a work day :P!! My mind was fixed on half a hour....! 135 kph is not really fast actually
 
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 7:23 am

Thomas: true that in Orio the bus station is closer, and the airport is smaller and less messy, but, if you have to go to downtown Milan in a work day, the bus is extremely unreliable, as it can get stuck in traffic (which is TERRIBLE on the thruways around Milan). In Malpensa there is a train which goes into the city from the terminal.
 
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 9:00 am

@gamarocchi: Yep, this is true of course. When doing planespotting I always prefer big airports of course, when travelling I really like smaller airports, less hassle.

Has anybody ever thought about the tourist resorts which are very close to Girona, it's not just Barcelona, personally I think it was a very wise decision to go for Girona and Rome as new bases. Barcelona and the tourist resorts at the coast near Girona are very popular at the moment and all Girona routes Ryanair has started so far did work very well from what I know. Rome Ciampino is not too far away from the way from the city, similar situation like in Milan, traffic links to Fiumicino are better but Ciampino is smaller, don't know how messy Fiumicino and Ciampino are since I have never been there, Malpensa definately is messy  Wink/being sarcastic. Given the location of the airport they will also be able to attract business travellers in Rome which is again very popular with all routes Ryan is operating there working quite well.

I think that those two bases make much more sense than Skavsta for example which is a typical "in the middle of nowhere" airport, however Ryanair was able to establish Hahn and Charleroi, so maybe with the new routes they might even be able to make Skavsta work for them.
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 9:48 am

Thomas, FCO is messier than MXP. You know there is another aiport in Milan (LIN) which is the *real* airport of the city, meaning that it's the closest. On the other hand in Rome almost all the flights were from FCO while CIA was just used by private aircrafts, the President of the Republic, and the Pope. I think (but I may be wrong) that before Ryanair, no airline had used Ciampino in a long time. So probably it's even quieter than Orio al Serio!
 
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:39 pm

I hate to turn this into a Ryanair vs. Easyjet post, but quite frankly, having flown both and experienced the increadibly unhelpful and unwavering service on Ryanair, along with it's screwed up idea of what airports serve what city, Easyjet is by far the easier and less stressful option.

Easyjet from Barcelona is a thousand times easier and less hassle than Ryanair from Girona. And I've always flown Easyjet at a very competitive (note. cheaper, incl. cost of transport to the airport) price when compared to Ryanair. How Ryan gets away with such appalling service standards is beyond me. I suspect one day they'll pay the price themselves.
 
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:54 pm

u>PanAm,
Sorry to learn the bus is not free, it used to...

As someone has already written, 90 kms in 45 mins is 120 km/h, not 180.

Last, if you know that Girona is 100 (OK, 90...) kms far from Barcelona, the last thing you do is... take a taxi!!! THEY ARE EXPENSIVE!!! Therefore there are busses...

Enjoy turbulences!!!
 
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:00 pm

Thomas, you are right, Gerona (sorry folks, I'm an old Spaniard  Smile/happy/getting dizzy) is the biggest airport for those tourist areas at the Costa Brava. However, it's mostly low yield tourism (look at Lloret de Mar). There are not many flights to Gerona. Add to that, that Ryanair markets this as Barcelona. I wonder, why they don't market this as "Costa Brava Airport" or something like that.

BTW, I would love to have a ZRH-GRO connection ....

Cheers
Gerardo

EDIT: Gerona-Barcelona in 45 Minutes? Hmmm, our taxi had from Lloret de Mar to Barcelona (more or less the same distance) about 2 hrs!!!!! Don't forget, you're not alone on Barcelona's street, specially during rush hour  Wink/being sarcastic

2nd EDIT: even the train needs more time. The shortest connection I found from Gerona to Barcelona is 1:15 hrs. Add to that the time you need from Gerona airport to the railway station in the city center.

[Edited 2003-12-05 15:07:39]
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RE: Ryanair Launches 2 New Bases In Barcelona & Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:25 pm

The first Go Fly flight was from STN to CIA.

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