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AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 7:27 am

Whats the latest on AirTran's proposed growth at DFW? I know they have opened BWI, and MCO. What about their plans for further expansion - with especially the routes out west. Does anyone have any info on this? Seems like the airTran talk around big-D has just dwindled a bit lately.

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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 7:29 am

I would say that it probably would not be their best move. Remember Midway at PHL?

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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 7:37 am

They said they going to start DFW-LAS early next year
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 7:50 am

AirTran is moving to four gates at the B-Terminal the first or second week of January. LAS starts in February. Supposedly AirTran has committed to at least 24 flights per day. Posted on another board: LAX and TPA begin in May; SFO and FLL start in July; MDW and PHL next Fall; and PHX and LGA after that but these are not official. All these are supposed to be on the 717 but there is also talk of a 737 base at DFW.
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:02 am

The service to LAS has been confirmed, however, there is still some unclarity as to whether it will be operated by Ryan A320's or the 717. (hopefully, the former!)

Posted on another board: LAX and TPA begin in May; SFO and FLL start in July; MDW and PHL next Fall; and PHX and LGA after that but these are not

Very interesting. Looks like AirTran is going DL's mainline jugular at DFW. I wouldn't mind seeing some FL 738s here  Smile

BTW, Gr8slvrflt, could you refer me to the board where you got this info? (you can email or post the link) Thanks!
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:10 am

Hope they do it all- a little low-fare cmpetition here would be welcome, indeed.
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:15 am

I think Gr8slvrflt is referring to this thread here:

http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7944
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:20 am

Very interesting. Looks like AirTran is going DL's mainline jugular at DFW. I wouldn't mind seeing some FL 738s here

I thought they were getting -700.  Confused
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:36 am

You're right. I need to lay off the glue.  Smile
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:37 am

I don't believe that about FL will flying from DFW-FLL in summer 2004 and which one will be completition of DL & AA on these flight, too. Why would like to know about AirTran is after with DL & AA to FLL?

Yes, it possible will flying on the newest B737-700 aircraft from DFW hub to SFO, LAX, SEA, PDX, LAS and etc. It is very pretty soon will be getting first FL -700s aircraft.
 
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:37 am

FL has 50 firm orders for 737-700's and -800's, with another 50 options. The 738's will be needed for some of the California/Florida/Vegas flights. DFW-LAX/SFO in a 738 does not seem out of the question


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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:40 am

From the July 1st,2003 press release....

ORLANDO, Fla.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--July 1, 2003--AirTran Airways, a subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, Inc. (NYSE:AAI), today announced at a press conference at Hartsfield Atlanta International Airport that the airline has placed an order for 100 new Boeing 737-700 and -800 series aircraft - of which 50 are firm orders and 50 are options.



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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:50 am

The DFW-LAS flight will be flown using 717s, as Ryan International's 4 A320 are already commited out of ATL (1 for ATL-LAS, 1 for ATL-LAX, 1 for ATL-SFO, and one as a spare. And the 1 used for ATL-SFO is typically used for ATL-MCO in the evening, which returns in the morning to usually make out the SFO flight). So unless Ryan's adding some additional A320s, I doubt you'll be seeing any at DFW unless it is a diversion.
 
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:51 am

Some clarifications:

The DFW-LAS flights starting in February will definitely be operated with AirTran 717s.

AirTran has 28 firm orders for 737-700s. There is also an agreement to lease 22 737s. The remaining fifty are options. I believe the -700s can be switched to -800s with 15 months notice. No winglets are planned at this time. Delivery of the -700 begins in June 2004 with a first flight tentatively scheduled for July 1st. Expect the 737s to take over all Ryan Int'l flying by the end of the year.

Seventy-three 717s have been delivered but a few have not yet entered service. At least six (maybe up to fourteen) are to be added next year. I'm not sure of the status of the ships being returned by Hawaiian.
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 9:49 am

What's the general consensus here -- is AirTran going after AA, DL, or both? Seems like AA would get hurt more by the western routes (LAS, LAX, SFO, etc.).
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 9:56 am

I don't think AirTran is going after anybody. They surely do not give a flip about market share. They are merely exploiting markets where there is money to be made.
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:24 am

Good point, Gr8slvrflt, and well taken.
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 1:12 pm


The west coast flights would hurt DL a lot, I would think. They used to fly 767s to LAX, now it's 738. And the SFO 757s have been replaced with some 733s. Plus, if they choose to fly to SNA or OAK, then who wouldn't want to fly a 737 or 738 instead of a DL CR7?
 
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:25 pm

The west coast flights will not hurt DL a lot. Delta will match prices on DFW routes. But most of the traffic on those flights is connecting from all the cities in the SE to the West of Atlanta.
 
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:48 pm

AirTran has 28 firm orders for 737-700s. There is also an agreement to lease 22 737s. The remaining fifty are options. I believe the -700s can be switched to -800s with 15 months notice. No winglets are planned at this time. Delivery of the -700 begins in June 2004 with a first flight tentatively scheduled for July 1st. Expect the 737s to take over all Ryan Int'l flying by the end of the year.

Making sure I understand....

the 28 (Boeing) and the 22 (lease) are -700 officially, but can be switched to -800. Who are the leases from?
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:00 am

I believe most, if not all, the first fifty will be -700s. The lease is from GECAS, I think.
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:17 am

I just find it fascinating that they would do an ATL-DFW run that Delta has a lot of seats on already. *shrug* You would think that places like STL would be more attractive for expansion since AA is reducing that to almost nothing. I know SWA was taking advantage of it by expanding their presence - why not move in a new airline?
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 3:23 am

Is AA giving up gates at STL?
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RE: AirTran's Expansion At DFW?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 3:41 am

"Is AA giving up gates at STL? "

Are you kidding me? They announced a few months back that they were all but pulling out of STL. Originally, they were just converting it into a regional jet hub only. Now, they have really dropped presence there from what I understand. I figured it would happen. There is no reason why they should maintain 3 separate Midwest hubs like that.
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