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Hajj 2003 - 2004

Fri Dec 05, 2003 4:02 pm

The Hajj starts end of Dec thru March 2004. Saudia and Garuda Charter a large number of aircrafts for additional capacity.

Air Atlanta, European air Charters, Britannia and Air universal all had such contracts for Hajj early this year.

A lot of other new charter airlines are trying to get onboard each year to make a quick buck. There was some Chaos this year when North East airlines left its crew stranded in Jeddah with out pay and a ticket home.

Indonesian airlines, Tried flying 2 B747s and failed miserably.

Air Bangladesh leased a L1011 from Air universal, but never made it to Jeddah. The pilots went home with out operating a single flight.

PIA has been flying the Hajj with entirely its own fleet for the past couple of years, however with the permanent grounding of 2 B747-200s and the phaseing out of A300B4s, two Orient Thai B747s are being leased to add capacity this hajj.

Lets see what this Hajj brings our way.





 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Fri Dec 05, 2003 4:08 pm

I would imagine a bigger Muslim country like INDIA too needing AI to get extra aircraft for the HAJJ season...whats their plan???

PIA should have leased some used B 743s from somewhere instead of B 742s as the 743 can carry many more pax thus resulting in less flights overall + more cargo space being available.
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Fri Dec 05, 2003 4:31 pm

B743s can carry about 50 to 60 additional passengers however there is no significant difference in cargo capacity. I don't think there are too many B743s being offered on ACMI. MNG Airlines was trying with its A300B4s and Logistic Air with its B747, but Orient thai won the contract. With the meager salary they offer to their flight crew, I am not surprised that they were the cheapest.
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Fri Dec 05, 2003 5:03 pm

Air Atlanta bought a ex-KLM 747 to use it one Hadj flights
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Fri Dec 05, 2003 6:57 pm

Indonesian airlines, Tried flying 2 B747s and failed miserably.

They failed because they couldn't be bothered to get the permits!

Last year, someone tried to sell Ex Olympic 742s SX-OAB and SX-OAC for some people for Hajj flights... Despite the planes not falling into the qualifications... As long as idiots don't read the rules, there'll be enough people out there who'll get hurt.

GAruda sending 2 744s, the rest Air Atlanta 747s, Britannia 763s and Air2000 763s I heard...

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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:11 pm

Most of the time flights are not done because the airline which chartered an aircraft did not pay for the overflying permits and so on.
Last year a Corsair B747 chartered by Air Senegal had to land in Kartoum because Air Senegal did not pay any landing permit to Saudia and they stayed stucked for 12hours there.
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:24 am

Any idea where Air Atlanta was basing its crew this year? I heard a rumor of India.
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:34 am

PIA747,
Air Atlanta? Well, their 747 for Indonesian Hajj flights will be based in CGK/JED... it's been like that for years, I expect no change. The 767s are a different story however...

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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:39 am

MyTravel(Uk) get involved as well with aircraft going to Garuda... 2 A330s I believe this eyar, not sure if MYT or Garuda crew the flights....
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Sat Dec 06, 2003 4:49 am

All contracts are on an ACMI basis. Garuda crew will be too busy with their own fleet.
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:22 am

Garuda Hajj =
Pilots = From the aircraft source.
Purser = From the aircraft source.
F/A = From Garuda* + Aircraft source. However, this arrangement differs year to year. *Most of the GA F/A for Hajj are former GA F/As who still qualify.

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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Sat Dec 06, 2003 6:41 am


European Aviation has an aircraft going out on the 16 Dec operating from KUL. Its amazing how many British companies go in for this......must be big money to be made!
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:41 pm

Mandala499: does the 22 year aircraft ruleapply to aircrafts registered in Indonesia only.. or other Airlines flying into Indo as well.

[Edited 2003-12-06 09:44:05]
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:52 pm

Saw G-BIMB, a MYT 763, at MAN on 3/12 in partial MYT livery but with the GA logo on its tail. Guess this is related to the Hajj.
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:55 pm

PIA747,
The 22 year old limit applies to ALL aircraft conducting Hajj flight to/from Indonesia for Indonesian Hajj pax. This extends to all aircraft of all registrations.

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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Sat Dec 06, 2003 6:26 pm

From Iran: Iran Air with 747 and A300/310, Iran Airtours with Tu154 and Mahan air with A300/310 are in charge of flying Hajjies to Saudi Arabia this year.
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:26 pm

Several years ago Nouvelair,named Air Liberté Tunisie at that time,flew Hajj flights for Mauritanian pilgrims.MD-83s used to fly MIR-NKC-MIR-JED and back,but this stopped and i don't know how Mauritanians had flown to Mecca in the last few years.

Tunisair will mainly rely on its Airbus fleet.The three AB6s will make shuttles between Tunisia and Jeddah,and A320s will be operated mainly out of secondary airports such as Gafsa,Sfax,Tabarka,and Tozeur.
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:49 pm

Let's hope somebody can "steal" some photos from the JED ramp again this year.
At the slide auction at FRA in November, the Iraqi 747SP at JED fetched some 70 euro as top bid...
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Sat Dec 06, 2003 11:02 pm

Hopefully this year a certain ex-United 747 being operated out of Lybia does not make a name for itself. Has there been any recent word on its activities? Rumor was it was bought to be operated for hajj purposes.

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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Sun Dec 07, 2003 4:20 am

Just found out from an Air Atlanta captain, they will operate 5 B747's and 3 767's for Saudia based in Jeddah.
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Mon Dec 08, 2003 1:48 am

Saudi Arabian Airlines has Leased 17 aircrafts to add capacity for the Hajj. 8 of which are coming from Air Atlanta, any news on the other 9?
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:50 am


Mandala499,

Are the Indonesian B743 & B742 still sitting at CGK?, or have they been
moved elsewhere?
You mentioned that GA was using 2 B744 for the HAJJ. I thought the plan
was to only use one aircraft from the mainline fleet. When did that change
and what is the subsequent affect to the scheduled services?
Thanks again for your Indo updates, your really on top of things down there.

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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Mon Dec 08, 2003 6:45 am

GARUDAROD:

The B743 (PK-IAT) has been returned to storage at Victorville, as seen in this photograph.


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The B742 was infact a B741SR (PK-IAU) , it belongs to Logistic air and is currently based at Ras-Al- Khaimah airport (UAE) waiting for a busy Hajj season.
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Mon Dec 08, 2003 7:16 am

I hope someone snaps up those 3 SQ B744s...it'll be worth it as it will be sold off very cheaply.
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Mon Dec 08, 2003 8:22 am

Air Atlanta will be operating 8 aircraft for Saudia, 4 for Garuda, and 1 for Air Algerie (don't know about the types for Garuda and Algerie)
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Tue Dec 09, 2003 2:49 am

I heard that the other 747 of Indonesian, a 747-100, has been painted back in full cs. Looks like a preparation for the Hadj.
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Sun Dec 14, 2003 6:23 am

A few MyTravel (A/S) A330-300's are going to Garuda from late December. Some of the UK based A330-200's are then going to the A/S section of the company. I think G-DIMB, a MyTravel B767-300 is also going.

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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:02 am

In Jan this year, Britannia based its B767s in Singapore for the Garuda Hajj charters. I believe this was due to security threats in Indonesia. Are they doing the same in 2004? how does Garuda allow them to add an extra stop while Air Atlanta fly direct for them?
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Mon Dec 22, 2003 2:47 am

Hajj flights start this week for many airlines. Air India has already started according to a recent post, and PIA starts on the 26th. Logistic Air http://www.logisticair.com has its B747SR at Karachi for Maintenence checks by PIA in preperation for Hajj. Any more updates on Hajj charters?
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Mon Dec 22, 2003 3:47 am

I think it's cool how Muslims all have a pilgrimage to their holy city. It must be amazing to see all the planes and people of your faith gathering at one place. I wish Christians had something where we all had to go to the holy land. Could you imagine all the US and European 777's and 744's flying into TLV? WOW!

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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:53 pm

Yes, it is a fascinating sight. During Jeddah is the busiest airport in the world and the largest collection of B747s.
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:53 pm

Yes, it is a fascinating sight. During Hajj, Jeddah is the busiest airport in the world and the largest collection of B747s.
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:35 pm

Whenever one sees unique airlines, like Air Cambodia (or variations of the name thereof), we know it is Hajj season at DEL. Rest of the year, the Haj Terminal is used for courier operations/express cargo/special moves like U.N. etcetc.

Going back to my shippie days, Hajj pilgrim ships were the norm then. It was one big private trucking scenario for everybody, passenger/pilgrim, crew, owner/operator, flag nation, host nation . . . the works. Smuggling was the order of the day, be it gold, illegal stuff, human trading . . . nothing was haram.

I guess it hasn't changed even now, which is why the air-charterers of the world get active. I do not have any idea of the current day favourites, but presume that alcohol and weaponry would be the two big ticket items inwards and Bactrian gold as well as Iraqi antiques outwards?

That's the ground level view on the Hajj!
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:54 pm

Pe@rson,

Saw G-BIMB, a MYT 763, at MAN on 3/12 in partial MYT livery but with the GA logo on its tail. Guess this is related to the Hajj.

I think you mean G-DIMB. I saw it at YYZ yesterday with the Garuda logo.
 
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RE: Hajj 2003 - 2004

Sun Jan 04, 2004 2:51 pm

Heard, Sudan air is chartering two B747s for the Hajj operation. Any idea where they are coming from?