zionstrat
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Recommendations On US To Rome

Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:27 pm

My mother has had a lifelong dream to visit Rome and as she approaches her 70th birthday, our family would like to make this wish come true in May or June of 04- The primary reason she has not gone before is she has a condition that causes extreme muscle cramps if she does not move around regularly- So cattle class has never been an option and we wanted to look into the best deals and opportunities for 1st class.

She'll be leaving RDU, so I'm assuming that JFK or ORD are likely candidate departure points. Would appreciate your input on options available and potential costs. I'm always stuck in the back when I cross the pond, so details on bed types and related info would be particularly helpful.

Big thanks in advance
 
LHR001
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:33 am

You may want to try the following options-

American Airlines
RDU-ORD
American Airlines
ORD-FCO

American Airline
RDU-JFK
American Airlines
JFK-FCO

American Airlines
RDU-LGW
British Airways
LGW-FCO

Delta Airlines
RDU-CVG
Delta Airlines
CVG-FCO

Delta Airlines
RDU-JFK
Delta Airlines
JFK-FCO

Delta Airlines
RDU-ATL
Delta Airlines
ATL-FCO

Continental Airlines
RDU-EWR
Continental Airlines
EWR-FCO

US Airways
RDU-PHL
US Airways
PHL-FCO

American Airlines
RDU-JFK
Alitalia
JFK-FCO

American Airlines
RDU-BOS
Alitalia
BOS-FCO



Regards,


LHR001
 
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STT757
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:45 am

- "So cattle class has never been an option and we wanted to look into the best deals and opportunities for 1st class.

She'll be leaving RDU, so I'm assuming that JFK or ORD "

JFK would be out of the question since the only flights from RDU-JFK are ERJs, from personal experience they are tight.

CO flies 737s from RDU-EWR, and 767-400s from EWR-CO / LIRF), Italy">FCO and MXP. They have Business First flat beds, in coach the 767-400s have Ptvs etc..

RDU-EWR-Italy would be the most direct and comfortable way to go, same terminal connection at EWR.

RDU-ORD-Italy seems like going way too far away to connect, plus you would have to change terminals.

Flying CO through EWR you have a seemless connection right in Terminal C, both ways since CO has their own IAB at Terminal C-3 concourse.
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anstar
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:47 am

Zionstrat:

I'd go with AA for your mum, simply because she will have More Leg room in economy, and will make for a more comnfortable journey.
BA European flights, are also quite comfortable.. and I have found the service/standards to be much improved of late.

ANstar
 
RiverVisualNYC
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:48 am

Alitalia's Magnifica Class (sort of Business/First) on their brand-new 777s is quite nice and you can get it nonstop to FCO from JFK for a reasonable fare if you go through a consolidator. Check around on the web.
 
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 6:06 am

Alitalia flies 777's usually (not sure if they're sched for AMJ '04) from EWR-FCO as well...

my recco is to fly to JFK and then connect onto AZ 611...they're flagship route.

-g
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Superfly
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 6:16 am

Zionstrat:
Give your mother the full Italian experience and put her on Alitalia.

AA is great for trips to Chicago an Delta is great for trips to Atlanta but to Italy?
Bring back the Concorde
 
RiverVisualNYC
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 6:19 am

Just to add on to Superfly's comment, Alitalia gives you the experience of Italy full on, from the minute you step aboard...The food, the wine, the coffee, the entertainment -- even the attitude (but increasingly it's no different than the attitude you'd get from harried FAs on US carriers)! Before they got the 777, they were a little behind in what they could do with onboard services particularly IFE, but if you can get Magnifica on the 777, to Italy it doesn't get any better....Oh, and you also get SkyMiles...
 
aa61hvy
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 6:26 am

Put her in Alitalia first class... What a good son!
Go big or go home
 
RiverVisualNYC
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 6:34 am

http://www.alitaliausa.com/services/magnifica.asp
che bellissimo, che italiano!! mama will be molto felice!
 
ILoveORD
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 6:48 am

Too bad you couldn't go ORD-FCO non-stop on Alitalia...they only fly to Milan from ORD now. Anyone know what the reasoning is behind this? I realize Milan is the business center of Italy, but you think for reasons, such as the one this post mentions (namely tourism; and Rome is a huge tourist destination), AZ would still maintain ORD-FCO flights...?
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ntspelich
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 6:55 am

Without a doubt, I'd go on US. The 333 + US transAtlantic service. Can't beat it in my opinion.

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behramjee
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:18 am

The best US carrier to FCO on first or eco class I would say is US AIR from PHL because they fly their new A 330-300 to Italy which has a better inflight product than DL-AA-UAL (all fly B 763ERs).

But first look into the price of F or J class to FCO offered by US AIR and its local competitors plus what BA and AF offer. As far as an Intl carrier goes, choose BA or LXs(SWISS) J or F class which is way better than AFs-LHs and KLMs!!!
 
KDHawaii777
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:18 am

Try British Airways. I really like the airlines. They're nice.
 
Chgoan
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:19 am

I agree with Ntspelich.....

I flew to Rome from ORD-PHL-FCO on USAirways a year ago and was really pleased. The A333 was very comfortable and has plenty of legroom AND has the PTVs, so there is plenty of entertainment for you and your mom for the long haul. Definitely my recommendation!!!!!!
 
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:22 am

If you want an American carrier, there is no contest. US's service from PHL on the 333 is divine.

US services RDU extremely well, so your options to PHL are very good, and in the event of a weather problem or similar the chances of getting there (or home) are better.

N
 
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:24 am

You might want to take into consideration that in as much as you're going to have to do this in 2 segments (no nonstops from RDU-FCO) with an older person who has health issues, it might be best to make the connection in the US where everything is in English and easy to understand, as opposed to a European hub like Zurich or Paris, and get a nonstop transatlantic right to FCO. (FYI if you connect via Heathrow with BA you will have to change terminals on a usually standing-room-only bus or below-ground train, did this with my 72 year old dad and he was not happy!) This strategy would favor flying AZ or one of the US carriers that services FCO nonstop from a US hub.
 
aa757first
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:24 am

What about AA MRTC?

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richardw
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:29 am

I'm sure BA would provide assisted transfer at LHR for a Club World or WT+ passengers.
 
gigneil
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:45 am

I agree with the making a connection in the US.

I am planning a trip with my grandmother to FCO in the Spring, and its an important consideration to making the change in a more familiar environ.

MRTC isn't relevant - he pointed out that they'll be travelling in an upper product.

Even if they offer assisted transfer between LGW and LHR, for an elderly lady it will still be extremely hectic. BA does not serve FCO from LGW.

N
 
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:57 am

If you want the truly Italian experience and don't mind some walking at JFK, you can get there from RDU with the DL/ACA nonstop and pick up AZ's nonstop 777 to Rome (might be able to do it all on a DL ticket per Skyteam codeshare), but now that I think about it probably the easiest thing to do is US via PHL, CO via EWR, or even DL via ATL because by going from RDU through a US hub and nonstop to Rome on the same airline it will likely eliminate as many terminal changes, lines and rescreening hassles as possible. There's also AA via ORD but that's a little out of the way for you.
 
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:58 am

As long as you can connect in Philadelphia without a problem, I would recommend without a doubt US Airways. As far as I am aware they operate the A330-300 on this route and wont beat them for leg room, comfort and in-flight entertainment with their P@ssport system.

In the UK, they nearly always seem to be the cheapest... I have just booked flights for March 2004 to LA (LGW-PHL-LAX LAX-CLT-LGW) with US Airways for £169 including tax on Expeda.co.uk. Bargain or what???

Even though I am in the UK, I will only fly US Airways to the USA wherever possible.

I suppose now I am going to get a backlash from other people now saying I should be loyal to my country and fly BA, BMI or Virgin! (But I don't care!)

 
funflyer
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:18 pm

Last time I checked USAir offered their "Envoy class" for some where around $1900.00 a person from BOS connecting in PHL then on to FCO.
Who cares about status?
 
COEWRNJ
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:38 pm

Just be careful with CO in EWR. Half their flights from RDU-EWR are operated with RJ's. As other people have said they are quite cramped. Hope you have a great trip..Good Luck on the Planning!!

Dave
 
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:43 pm

I friend of mine flies from the US to Nice frequently, and he says without a doubt, the best option is to take the nonstop across the pond to your destination, rather than a long leg to Europe, and then have to connect.

Another plus about the US IFE system is you can pause the PTV at any time, meaning there is not a sudden crush of people to the lavs when the movie ends.
 
zionstrat
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:32 am

Great answers- Had to step out for a while and you did a great job keeping this going- Much appreciated and will let you know what we decide-
 
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:51 am

For something different, Ethiopian flys from EWR to Addis Ababa via Rome on Saturdays and Mondays. Don't know if EWR-FCO traffic is allowed though.....
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:28 am

From what I understand Ethiopian does not have traffic rights EWR-FCO and FCO is merely a tech-stop...so thats out of the question...

Also, it should be pointed out that I believe Alitalia does not allow the use of Discmans and other electronic devices on board...for me this would be a huge turnoff but this may not bother you as much...

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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Thu Dec 11, 2003 10:18 am

Try US RDU-PHL-FCO or AA RDU-JFK then AZ JFK-PHL.
 
Qantas005
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Thu Dec 11, 2003 10:37 am

firstly, dont send her in june! it's very hot that time of year as i found out in june myself, temps well over 35C daily!

i would suggest late april to mid may, cooler climate and very comfortable.

be aware that Rome is pretty expensive, they seem to be able to spot tourists a mile off! and they milk the tourists like a cow.

i would recommend Alitalia first class, having used the new 777 in firstclass from Japan to Italy i found it superb, you cant go wrong! great food, great seat, great wine!

beware of pickpockets on trains, my friend had her wallett snatched in under 10 seconds, personally i think Rome is very overrated. much more beautiful and historical places in europe besides Rome.

 
funflyer
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Thu Dec 11, 2003 10:39 am

Quantas005 are you so sure?
I went in july and it rarely got over 30C?

Who cares about status?
 
Qantas005
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:27 am

read news reports, italy had one of the hottest periods on record this year!

i can assure you it was very hot! and this is coming from someone who lives in one of the hottest places on earth.

[Edited 2003-12-11 03:28:40]

Record temperatures could mean Italy going tropical: weather office

ROME (AFP) Jul 02, 2003
Italy is becoming increasingly hot with average June temperatures at their highest in more than half-a-century, suggesting the country's climate may be going tropical, the national meteorological bureau said Wednesday.
Rome broke its 1782 historic record on June 10, reaching 34.8 degrees Celsius (95 Fahrenheit), with an average 32.2 degrees Celsius (90 Fahrenheit) compared to 29 degrees Celsius (84 Fahrenheit) last year.



[Edited 2003-12-11 03:33:48]

FunFlyer, do you see a U in the name Qantas?  Sad

[Edited 2003-12-11 03:34:55]
 
VCE
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:27 pm

Italy is very different from the north to the center to the south. In the north on winter you can get at -25°C in the Alps, or in Milan at -10°C while in the south it's fine. In Rome in this days it's 0°C by the night, but it's true this summer was hot, but it was hot in all Europe. Generally it's difficult to have more than 30°c by the way.
 
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RE: Recommendations On US To Rome

Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:02 pm

NWA-Northwest Airlines.

Starting in May. NWA will resume seasonal service from DTW to FCO. The airline will use the brand new A330-300. With On Demand PVT and Interactive Video games at each seat. World Business Class has the new Lay Flat seats with a very comfortable wool blankets to keep mom warm. Even a little ice cream sundae for desert. The new World Gateway Terminal in DTW has been rated among the TOP 5 airports of preferance according to last years JD Powers and Associates Survey. Your Customs experience on the way home should be easy. As all NWA Mainline flights arrive and depart from the A concourse. So once out of customs you are in the middle of the A concourse. Hope this info helps you out. And that no matter who you fly. You have a great adventure. And since NWA just announced this new service I am sure you can get a great deal at www.nwa.com ??

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