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Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:52 am

Do you know any strange routes, maybe ones that seem pointless? For me, it has to be Sao Paulo Gua to Sao Paulo Congonhas. This flight is with ocean air. Anyone know anything about these flight. The good point being, if the flight is cancelled, you can just take a taxi to the destination!
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:53 am

Hmm.. CWL --> Anywhere  Big grin Laugh out loud

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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:58 am

LOL,
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:59 am

EFD-IAH on COEx was always an interesting one...
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:59 am

Sevenair, the flight is not half as useless as it seems... when you're stuck in Sao Paulos morning rushhour in a taxi from GRU to your hotel that's just minutes away from CGH, you start craving an alternative: I'd probably use that flight on occasion... if I just knew how to book that thing... Big grin
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:03 am

I know, but i guess its mainly business people-you still got the taxi ride to the departure point and the arrival point.
 
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RE: Pointless Routes

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:04 am

How about the BEY-GRU route being touted in another thread? I can't see there being enough pax to fill anything that can make that run... even once a week
 
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:08 am

Another one is cambridge to oxford-true its 3hrs by road but still you got the time to travel to and from the airports plus check-in then baggage collection. I hear that an airline may start that up for university business, but to be honest, i dont think it will work. Perhaphs oxford-cambridge-london will work, i dont know-i dont claim to be an aviation economist
 
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:12 am

EFD-IAH is actually quite heavily used. If you live in Galveston, Clear Lake or anywhere in southern Houston -- quite common if you work for NASA -- it could easily take you 2 hours to drive to IAH. Much, much easier to drive to EFD, check your bags there, take a quick 10-minute (free) flight, and connect at IAH. The only think I find interesting is that CoEx uses an ERJ on this route. I thought it might have been cost effective to keep just a few EMB-120s on the roster solely for this flight, but I guess I'm wrong. FYI, CoEx used to operate a HOU-IAH flight, but it has been discontinued.

I think United Express/ACA used to operate an IAD-BWI flight, but I'm not sure if this is still up and running. Anyone know?
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:16 am

Yes, UA Exporess used to operate this route as part of an extension. It is no longer operative. People in DC are now forced to either use ground transportation or grow wings. DC would be a possible good market for a helicopter service... three far-flung airports... good customer base... too bad so many security concerns would probably doom it from the get-go.
 
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:20 am

Ssides, I actually went to the CO site to check if either HOU-IAH or EFD-IAH still ran...not only is the latter still on the schedule, but the frequencies are incredible so I figured it was as often used as you suggest.
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:20 am

IAD-BWI always seemed a bit odd until the day I had to change airports at the last minute. The 52 mile drive from one to the other during morning or evening rush can take hours.  Sad

 
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:23 am

Worldperks, know what you mean! Try doing it by "limo" or bus - a miserable experience in DC. And no rail link between all three (none at all to IAD, how insane is that?) is ridiculous too. In general, most U.S. airports could learn a lot from European metropolitan counterparts (to say nothing of Asian)...
 
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:23 am

EDI-NCL, you had to spend 45 mins at airport for check in, having first got to EDI airport, then the flight way 40min, then wait for baggage at NCL-then 25mins to NCL citty centre. You can go city cntre to city centre in as little as 1hr 15min on the train at a fraction of the cost
BA stopped this route, which was a feeder service to BHX I think
 
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:26 am

For a while in the early 90's, AA operated an MD80 on SJO-SFO. Roughly eleven minutes from wheels up to wheels down. It was primarily a positioning flight and continued as their red-eye to ORD. They took revenue passengers on it. I know, because I was one of them (involuntary reroute from SNA-SFO).
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:30 am

PA110 -

11 minutes to fly from Costa Rica to San Fransisco?! Wow, that MD-80 is way faster then the Concorde. Maybe they should check for steroids or something!  Big grin

(Hint: I think the airport code you're looking for is SJC, not SJO  Smile)

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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:37 am

BCAInfoSys - I stand corrected. Thanks.  Big grin

Slightly off topic... one of my last RK experiences was flying ACC-JFK. On the day in question, we flew ACC-LOS-ABJ with an unscheduled stop in LFW, then ABJ-DKR-JFK with an unscheduled stop in SAL. Altogether, 6 stops enroute and almost 22 hours of travel. No wonder they went under.
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:38 am

Gauhati - Bangkok by AI - is my all time greatest. One time DEL-PEK by Ethiopian and a couple of crazy ones like BKK-Cairns and BKK-Noumea for TG also a long time ago.

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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 3:05 am

Boston to Montreal on Delta L-1011s back in the 1980s and into the 1990s qualifies to me as 'pointless.' Sure, they may have been tag-ons to ATL or Florida flights, but still...
 
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 3:05 am

I also heard (just heard, mind you) that UA once operated a SFO-OAK "across the bay" flight. Any truth to that?
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 3:34 am

When I first heard about it I thought that the Hannover, Germany (HAJ) to Moncton, Canada (YQM) route was quite weird - it's operated by Condor (Boeing B757-300, nonstop for 7 hours 10 minutes, 2815nm) for the summer season... I think that that was put on for a tour operator somewhere here in the area...

After staying in YQM for just under 2 hours it continues to YYZ...
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:03 am

Leskova, you are right. That route is absolutely weird. But what I heard is, that it was not full enough to be back next year. BTW the tour operator is Skan Tours, which is specialized in senior travel and not even close to the Top 10 Tour operators in Germany.
 
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:12 am

Actually, FraT, Condor has already loaded it into Amadeus for next year - beginning, if I recall correctly, on 18 May...

Skan Tours, yupp, that's it - I think they're based in Braunschweig or somewhere around there...

By the way: how many other transatlantic nonstops are there on B757-300s, which is what, according to Amadeus, they'll be using next year?
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:12 am

How about DL service from CVG to Dayton. The Dayton parking lot is full of cars with Cincy plates. Passengers drive 50-minutes to take a 15-minute flight to connect back via CVG to often save hundreds of $$$'s. I know that Airtran operate out of Dayton but what is the point of operating a RJ when more than half the passengers are flying back to their starting point?
 
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:19 am

Gulfstream (the CoEx carrier) used to have a MIA-FLL and FLL-MIA flight that continued to/from TPA.

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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:29 am

Also, don't forget DCA-BWI flight on US Express DHC-8 (Piedmont).
This flight was discontinued in year 2000.

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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:31 am

Leskova,
you're right, it's loaded and advertised as well on Skan Tour's HP. But still there are rumors that it might be scrapped. Let's wait and see....
 
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:34 am


UA did have OAK-SFO on 727s but don't recall when.

MALAYSIAN: KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE

SATENA: LCH-LET and LCH-SJE

CONTINENTAL MIC: HNL-MAJ-KWA-KSA-PNI-TKK-GUM

SUNCOUNTRY: IFP-DEN, IFP-PDX, IFP-HRL, IFP-IAH, IFP-SAT

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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:46 am

The CalMike Island hopper brings in a LOT of cargo revenue and is very profitable.

My favorites are:
BGR-PWM DL M80
BGR-PVD DL M80

CommutAir opperates a 1 stop flight BGR-ALB-PWM and return. ALB is slightly out of the way and very rarely (once a month according to the CSAs) does anyone fly this route.
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 6:52 am

Had to dig out the trusty old Sept. 1975 OAG again --

UA actually flew 2 daily non-stops from OAK to SFO -- 1 B737 and 1 DC-8.

Are you ready for this??? You could actually buy a first class ticket on these flights for $22.00 one way. Coach was $16.00 one way.

TW also flew a B-727 at the time.

Most passengers who wanted to fly between SFO and OAK took the Sikorsky S-61 helicopter operated by San Francisco Helicopter Airlines...24 round trips every business day...fare was $15.00 one way, $30.00 round trip.
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 8:12 am

DCAYOW : maybe the MH route KUL/CPT/EZE is operated for the seamen biz as many south Asian countries supply most of them these days ?
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 8:30 am

Up until the early 1990's there was a feeder service from my local airport (KLOM, formerly N67) to PHL, operated with Islanders and Triislanders...the reason for this was at the time there was very poor road access from the northern/western suburbs of Philly to the airport....only one main road in that was constantly jammed with traffic...however when a new highway was built in the early 90's which made access much easier, the service became unnecessary and was shut down...

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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 11:36 am

I remember in the early 90s NW flew a LAX-TPE flight with a 744. Anyone else remember this route?
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:12 pm

FAT-VIS, SMF-Eureka/Arcata, and SMF-Crescent City all on UAX are pretty weird, especially the FAT-VIS flight. The drive from FAT-VIS is only about 30 minutes long, so the flight cant be more than 10-15 minutes long.
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:15 pm

Last year CO ran HPN-EWR using a ERJ135.
 
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:29 pm

Three words "First to Fifty"

To accomplish this "feat" UA had to fly to WIL. Wilmington, is thirty miles from PHL. I think LON has airports serving it farther than that. Funny thing was that just before it was shut down Dupont finnally started to take notice and send traffic out of Wilminton and the route started to make money. So of course ir had to close. The promotion was over.

Now if they ever open Dover to commercial traffic I think you would see some service. The Delmarva pennisula is underserved with only SBY.
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:37 pm

I'd say United Express in LAX has some pretty bizarre routes:

LAX-SNA
LAX-ONT

Both airports are within 40 miles of LAX. My old flight instructor now flies for United Express, and says that often the hold time on the ground is longer than the flight itself. If you look at LAX-ONT you'll see the airports make a straight line. It's pretty much liftoff, cruise for a minute, approach.
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:56 pm

How about everyones favourite DTW-FNT (Flint-Bishop Intl).. its like 10 minutes airborne and NWA operates CRJ's, ARJ's, and even DC9-50's on this route and does upwards of 10 flights daily... its very popular.

Detroiters drive to FNT and save money by connecting through DTW, sometimes getting the NWA "ConnectFirst" and upgrading to First Class on the airline's dime.
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RE: Pointless Routes

Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:29 am

LastBaron,

How about the BEY-GRU route being touted in another thread? I can't see there being enough pax to fill anything that can make that run... even once a week

MEA operated this route in the 90's until they were forced to remove the 747-200s from their fleet due to overall increasing financial issues.

Varig operated the route in the 70's before the Civil War.

There are 8 million Lebanese in Brazil, and recently new bilateral agreements were signed between Lebanon and Brazil.

There is plenty of demand for BEY-GRU. Not to mention that they will be able to provide connections to the Gulf. There is currently no direct Middle East - Brazil service.

My suggestion to you is to never make assumptions. Always back up your views by doing some research. The fact that there are 8 million Lebanese in Brazil should tell you the reason why MEA announced this route and why the route has been operated twice in the past.

Airlines know what they are doing and I don't think MEA would have announced the route if they can't fill up a the route 1x weekly.  Big grin

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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:02 am

Thai's Bangkok-Chiang Mai-Chittagong (Bangladesh) route flown 3 times a week on a Boeing 737-400.

Biman used to have an A310 fly between Chittagong and Yangon in Myanmar. Also very odd.

That was not the only one for Biman. They used to fly DAC-KHI-AUH-DAC and no reverse routing. Another one was DAC-AUH-BAH-KWI-DAC, again no return routing. They still fly DAC-DXB-FCO-FRA-DAC once a week and DAC-DXB-FCO-ORY-DAC once a week!

 
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:41 am

Saw on vbird.com that there's a route between Niederrhein (NRN) and Maastricht-Aachen (MST), those locations are really close to each other.

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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:00 am

I found this one on expedia.com the prices are good, however I don't quite understand this one(which incidently I booked just for the flights) But wouldn't the fuel be cheaper if it was direct? or if they just offered a direct flight?



Total price for this trip: $415.00
Average price per passenger: $207.50

Wed 7-Jul-04

Miami (MIA)
Depart 12:25 pm to Pittsburgh (PIT)
Arrive 3:07 pm 1016 mi (1635 km)
Duration: 2hr 42mn

Flight: 2183
OPERATED BY US AIRWAYS -- US540

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Economy/Coach Class, Snack, Boeing 737-400
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Pittsburgh (PIT)
Depart 4:10 pm to Baltimore (BWI)
Arrive 5:14 pm 210 mi (338 km)
Duration: 1hr 4mn

Flight: 2746
OPERATED BY US AIRWAYS -- US1120

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Economy/Coach Class, Boeing 737-400
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Baltimore (BWI)
Depart 5:30 pm to Charlotte (CLT)
Arrive 6:55 pm 362 mi (583 km)
Duration: 1hr 25mn

Flight: 2741
OPERATED BY US AIRWAYS -- US822

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Economy/Coach Class, Boeing 737-400
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Charlotte (CLT)
Depart 8:20 pm to Orlando (MCO)
Arrive 9:57 pm 462 mi (744 km)
Duration: 1hr 37mn
Flight: 2622
OPERATED BY US AIRWAYS -- US1448

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Economy/Coach Class, Airbus A320
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total miles: 2050 mi (3299 km)
Total duration: 6hr 48mn (9hr 32mn with connections)

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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:04 am

I always enjoyed flying to Austin on Delta in the mid 1990's, when their 727's flew SLC-SAT-AUS. The short route between SAT and AUS gave you a great view of New Braunfels and San Marcos!
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:22 am

LAX-ONT is a very strange yet my flights were full. all were connecting pax. funny enough, fares from ONT through LAX are identical to fares out of LAX
 
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:32 pm

I find SCN-LUX operated by Luxair F50/ERJ145 weird. The distance is only 100 km and you can certainly get faster by car than by plane on this route.
 
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:26 am

The strangest route I ever heard of was in the late eighties when the cheapest way to get from Nairobi to Dar es Salam (1 hour direct flight) was with Aeroflot -- 8 hours Nairobi to Moscow, change aircraft after a long wait, then another 8 hours Moscow to Dar es Salam!!!
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:54 am

Dublin-Shannon en route to the US on an A330 is fairly pointless. The only reason is the Ireland/US bilateral which will be abolished soon.

The cost in fuel alone in running a fully-loaded 330 for 30min must be huge, never mind the time wasted by crew and pax.

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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 1:53 am

Steph001,

I agree with you that SCN-LUX is "strange" because of its short distance. When flying the route on the F50 at around 9000 ft you can see the cars down on the German Autobahn almost overtaking the plane. But there is a reason behind this flight: Luxair is strategically linked to LH, so they feed passengers from Luxair to the Munich hub, and on the way they stop in SCN and thus provide the only service for SCN to Munich, i.e. Luxair is flying a domestic service in Germany.

Also, Luxair has some of its holiday flights do Luxembourg-Metz-Spain or Greece or whatever. Luxembourg-Metz/Nancy is around 80 kms. They do it on a 737.
 
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 3:25 am

SFO OAK by plane


Must be the most expensive BART Ticket....

May be faster as well!!!
 
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RE: Weird+(possibly Pointless)routes?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 3:54 am

Didn't Eagle fly LAX-SNA with an erj at one time?

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