FlyinGuy1
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The Future Of Aviation In Iraq

Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:25 pm

I believe that Iraq's future depends on many factors. One of those factors includes the strength of the connection that is built between Iraq and every other country in the world, not just First World Western countries. I believe that aviation will help Iraq prosper and build great political connections with other countries. We all know that 100 years ago the Earth shrunk dramatically with the first controlled, powered flight, by the Wright Brothers. I can see Iraq creating a partly-government subsidized airline, as well as many foreign carriers taking advantage of the many route opportunities that now exist. Aviation in the Middle East will never be the same again! I can't wait to see what kind of aircraft will be used on the Iraqi routes by all of the airlines that will eventually fly into Baghdad Int'l and the other airports within Iraq!

WITHOUT POSTING A POLITICAL EDITORIAL ON IRAQ AND STATING YOUR BELIEFS ABOUT THE WAR IN IRAQ, WHICH IS ENTIRELY UNNECESSARY TO PARTICIAPTE IN THIS DISCUSSION, what do you believe aviation's impact will be in Iraq?
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RE: The Future Of Aviation In Iraq

Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:36 pm

I think the problem for making a prediction here is that the future of Iraq is still rather fluid - if the place remains a warzone for years to come, then there will likely not be much in the way of civil aviation at all. The next question is that even when (or if) the fighting stops, will there be huge demand for commercial flights to Iraq? There will likely be some interest, but I think it may be stretching it somewhat to think of "all of the airlines that will eventually fly into Baghdad Int'l and the other airports within Iraq" meaning tens of different airlines. I think it is also stretching it to say "Aviation in the Middle East will never be the same again!". Iraq may change some things, but I doubt very much there will be some massive upheaval whereby all middle east traffic suddenly ends up in Baghdad...

Perhaps this topic would be more appropriate once the future of Iraq is a little more set in stone.

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RE: The Future Of Aviation In Iraq

Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:43 pm

Perhaps it is too early to predict aviation in Iraq, however, it is interesting and got me thinking about it after seeing those old Iraqi Airways jets on the tarmac at Baghdad Int'l. I was surprised that there were even aircraft on the tarmac. About a month ago, someone on the Forum stated that some of those aircraft were actually flyable!!!
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RE: Airbus 350, New 200-250 Seat Short/medium Rang

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:39 pm

It all depends...If Iraq becomes the first Arab democracy then definitly. When peace does come flights will come. And I would take a guess that when the time comes for getting a new fleet, Iraqi Airways will look towards Boeing  Smile
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RE: The Future Of Aviation In Iraq

Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:46 pm

You don't even have to have a functioning country to have a functioning air transport system. Beirut & MEA kept on flying despite the insanity going on around it.

You wont see any serious hub activity for a long time yet.

But other airlines operating into Basrah or Baghdad with connections into the Gulf area will be essential to get the talent into Iraq for reconstruction irrespective of how long the US is there.

The shoulder fired missile hitting the DHL airbus didn't help matters any. Security beyond the perimeter fence is now key. Maybe IR flare kits will be installed for takeoff and approach. More excitement than Kai Tak 13R!

I have friends there who tell me that Basrah will be operational first. Maybe as soon as 1Q04.

It would be great to see Iraqi Airways back in the air someday. . . Despite the carnage on CNN I have been told that Iraqi can possibly cobble together a few 727s.

It would be a great symbolic victory for the US occupation to get Iraqi Airways back in business.

At least they've got a great livery and it will be Boeing without a doubt.

BTW Iraq will never become a democracy in the way we Americans define it! The best we can do is pick a friendlier dictator and hand him back the whip when the time comes to go.
 
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RE: The Future Of Aviation In Iraq

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:17 pm

I want to question the assertation being made that Iraq will be the first Arab democracy. I am not certain of historical examples, however I am quite sure the following Arab countries could be considered democracies (I am basing the information on the World Factbook provided by the American CIA, and which countries have elections of a legislature by the population):

Algeria*
Bahrain*
Chad
Egypt
Jordan*
Lebanon
Kuwiat*
Morocco
Syria (quite dubious since one party is constitutionally guaranteed half the seats)
Tunisia
Yemen*

The countries I have asterisked are bordeline cases, as they have a legislature in part appointed by the head of state, who in most cases is hereditary (a situation not dissimilar to that of Great Britain).

Of course, whether the democratic process is working particularly successfully in these countries is up to question, however they do in theory anyway have a government which can be elected by the people, and as such could be considered democratic. Thus, I think it is rather insulting to these countries, and their people, to call Iraq 'the first Arab democracy'. Now I know this isnt a political discussion, but I felt this point needed to be pointed out in the context of some earlier posts...

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RE: The Future Of Aviation In Iraq

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:39 pm

The issue here is the friendly skies of Iraq. . . Thanks for the geography lesson but democracy in Iraq will not happen anytime soon. . .

Does anyone know anymore details about the state of facilities in Basrah or Baghdad?

Baghdad operates US military traffic, DHL and World Airways are flying there who else?

Is Basrah operating any US contract flights?

Are the terminals and runways usable at Basrah or anywhere else?

Is there any GA traffic permitted at all?

It would be nice to give a relaunched Iraqi airways some contract flights. . . They could use the work ehhh.

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