FlyinGuy1
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ATL Hartsfield

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:06 pm

Does anyone know what the plans are for the new international terminal at ATL-Hartsfield? I drive through ATL on I-285 several times a month and have witnessed the progression of several construction projects going on around the airport. I know the new terminal is in there somewhere!
The new international terminal will be great for the Southeast as a whole since the airport is basically THE airport for the Southeast and not just ATL. This is why ATL is currently the busiest airport in the world in terms of passengers enplaned (news.airwise.com/stories/2003/08/1060361148.html).
Any info. is appreciated.

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BOSugaDL
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:11 pm

The construction on 285 is a fifth runway. I don't know about a new Terminal, but E, the International terminal seems pretty new, I don't understand why they would need a new one...And its now Hartsfield-jackson, why oh why did they change the name...NO ONE LIKES IT!!!!!
 
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:14 pm

Atlanta Journal Constitution~
The 960,000-square-foot terminal will add 10 passenger gates, plus a 1,100-space parking structure. It's connected to the existing 28-gate Concourse E via a walkway that may include an extension of Hartsfield's underground people mover train.

Several accommodations will be made to post-Sept. 11 security, said Jeff Moak, who is overseeing the terminal project. They include an in-line bomb screening system for baggage, blast analysis of the building and a planned vehicle checkpoint on the access road.





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ConcordeBoy
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:16 pm

but E, the International terminal seems pretty new, I don't understand why they would need a new one...

Well, for one thing... "E" is currently a concourse, not a terminal. It will be transformed into a terminal (and all that entails) as well as expanded with SkyTeam and NLAs in consideration.
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FlyinGuy1
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:20 pm

I COMPLETELY AGREE with you Bosugadl. Renaming the airport was done in the name of political correctness and that is said. Mayor Jackson's name would have been honored if the new international terminal were named after him. Jackson's name has not been honored and Mayor Hartsfield's name has been dishonored. The general public will not adopt "Hartsfield-Jackson," I can guarantee that! People know it is "Hartsfield."

I heard that they were building a new international terminal because the airport needs another terminal and that is what E will be used for. Mighty nice for just another terminal, especially when you compare it to the other terminals, most notably, the T gates!!!

I thought that they were building a new runway. How long will it be? What will the magnetic direction be? 7 or 10? Hartsfield definetly needs a new runway! It is getting pretty crowded, especially during peak times!
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BOSugaDL
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:29 pm

ConcordBoy, thanks for the info. I knew about the runway, but I had no idea about the E expansion and the new south terminal. The parking and Terminal E will be much more convenient than having to take the train out there.

Do you know, or does anyone, what is going down to the new south? WILL It be call carries except for DL and FL? It would be nice if US, HP, CO etc... Get out of D, I think that is the worst CONCOURSE (thanks Concorde  Smile ) in ATL.
 
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:45 pm

I heard that the new south terminal would be mainly, if not completely, for Air Tran. I believe that AirTran lobbied the ATL Airport Authority like hell for the new terminal to be built. What the new terminal will do is allow AirTran, which operates non-heavies, to take off at MTOW on that 9,000' (according to ConcordeBoy's ATL-Journal picture) runway in any weather conditions (wet, etc.). AirTran's fleet is expanding rapidly due to the acquisition of 737NG's. AirTran aircraft can now taxi to a close runway and take off very quickly. The other present runways will be freed up considerably and will be used mainly by Delta, international airlines, and the other airlines that fly into ATL.

I am about 90 percent positive that this is the current intended purpose for the new south terminal and the new 9000' runway (it makes sense, anyways!!!). Just as Delta lobbied the city of ATL decades ago, and actually, still does, AirTran, due to their fleet expansion, is lobbying ATL. Both the city of ATL, Delta/other airlines, and AirTran can only benefit from this expansion.
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:45 pm

I thought that they were building a new runway. How long will it be?

It was originally only to be 5,000ft; but now they want it to be 9,000ft

Also, Rwy9L/27R (the primary takeoff runway), is to be extended to 13,300ft
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BOSugaDL
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:54 pm

So how many gate will be at the new south? There also looks like there is room to expand and add satellite concourses like A-E in the current set up. Also it looks like I-285 will go right under the new runway. That'll be awesome rode to travel on in a few years!!!!...By the way when will this all be done????
 
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sat Dec 06, 2003 3:18 pm

You are not politically correct. It's Hartsfield Jackson now. That is until the State of Georgia takes it over. The city is not going to be able to rip off the airlines so that they can fix their sewers.
 
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:07 pm

" Also it looks like I-285 will go right under the new runway. That'll be awesome rode to travel on in a few years!!!!."

i have this feeling i'm gonna want to avoid that part of 285, well, actually i tend to avoid all parts of 285. Why? Well, here in ATL, 285 speed limits is 55, however anything taravelling less than 70 will get mowed down by traffic, throw in some rain (some reason ATL drivers can't manage in a little water), and now you wanna add airplanes traveling overhead.... hrrrmmm...

FOr a timeline, you might wanna try atlmasterplan.com, it shows much of the timelines and info for the expansion of Hartsfield

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fxra
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:14 pm

Oh sorry, i forgot its Hartsfield-Jackson, and I was just looking at the master plan site. It was last updated APril 15th, 2002, so it may nto be so current.

it also only Says Hartsfield-Atlanta Int'l AIrport.
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:34 pm

The new South Terminal is not a go yet. It is in the master plan but they have no firm plans to build it yet. The new International Terminal has begun. It will be at the end of Aviation Blvd. across from the Delta Tech Ops complex. It is on the site of the old Eastern Cargo Building. The site doesn't look like much yet. Just a bunch of construction trailers and a fleet of equipment.

The new AirTran Hangar is coming up also over on North Loop Rd. I dove by it last week. The have been putting up the steel for the roof trusses. The building looked smaller that I thought it would be. I thought it was to be a three bay hangar. It only looked big enough for two narrow bodies.

I heard they have begun erecting the wall on the south side of I-285. That tunnel will be huge. I last flew out of ATL a month ago and from the air the new runway site still just looks like a big patch of dirt.
 
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sat Dec 06, 2003 11:28 pm

**i have this feeling i'm gonna want to avoid that part of 285, well, actually i tend to avoid all parts of 285. Why? Well, here in ATL, 285 speed limits is 55, however anything taravelling less than 70 will get mowed down by traffic, throw in some rain (some reason ATL drivers can't manage in a little water), and now you wanna add airplanes traveling overhead.... hrrrmmm...**

I've never seen such bad truck drivers in my life as I have in Atlanta on I-75.


Only people from Atlanta are going to call it Hartsfield Jackson, to all of us non Atlanta people it is still just Hartsfield.


What is that south terminal? Are there going to be more airlines over there?
 
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 12:45 am

Long-live Atlanta William B. Hartsfield Int'l Airport!
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BOAT
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 12:50 am

I have flown in and out of ATL since 1964. I assure it will always be Hartsfield to me a I'm sure most others. I would like to know what that change will cost in money and time.

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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:21 am

The reason for a new international terminal is that arriving passengers on Concourse E, after clearing Customs, have to recheck their baggage, so that it comes off on a carousel in the baggage claim area of the terminal.

Many people find this annoying, but if people just carried all of their baggage on the underground train, the trains would be full before they got to Concourse B.

With a new terminal with its own entrance from the Interstate, it should free up space on the trains and cut down on the number of people going through ticketing and security in the main terminal.
 
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:39 am

The South Terminal (as well as the new International Terminal) is something that the City is having to build in order to get the approval by the Clayton County government, which is the county that the bulk of the airport and new construction is in. The new runway took a lot of tax dollars away from the coffers of the County (quite a few businesses and residents have had to relocate, and many of them did not stay in Clayton County). The South Terminal is one of the last phases of the ATL Master Plan. It is to be located approximately where Loop Road and the old portions of Sullivan Road and Riverdale Road meet (these two roads have been realigned due to the Fifth Runway. Currently, Gate Gourmet and the Airport use the buildings that are on the proposed site, and will be torn down in a few years for the project, as the South Terminal is scheduled to be open by 2010. As for the tunnel project on I-285, they are moving right along with the structure for it, and will probably be done with that part of the runway project by this Summer at the latest, at the new runway is scheduled to open in June of 2005.
 
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:48 am

The whole original concept on the fifth runway was: for Commuter traffic. Now, with the RJ's- it's a moot point, but we still need the runway. I find it amusing, that we are struggling to come up with ways to pay for this new sewer system- including a sewer tax hike primarily for residents in Buckhead or Midtown, and we really only partially utilizing the I'ntl. Terminal that we now have. And they want us to pay for the construction of another terminal??? Don't get me started but, only in ATL!!!!!!My .02cents. Speaking of Cents...for those of us living in ATL, why don't they just raise the sales tax a penny in Fulton Co? But, that's another thread and not suitable for here. Have a great weekend everybody!
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:50 am

I would like to know what that change will cost in money and time.

A lot less than months or years of bickering, posturing and bad press. Compromise is a beautiful thing. I'm not too happy about Reagan National or Bush Intercontinental but they're just names.

The new Eastside Terminal should also help promote growth and development on that side of the airport; especially important if the Ford plant closes. Hotels and restaurants are sure to follow.

Does anyone think we'll see a return of KLM or JAL? I do think Alitalia will adding Atlanta before too long.
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 2:02 am

I don't think the Ford Plant will be closing anytime soon. The land that the State held the option to buy for a new Ford plant has expired, and Ford only said that they were looking at possibly opening another plant in Georgia. Ford has never publicly stated that the new plant would replace the Hapeville Assembly Plant. The media just made it sound like Ford would close Hapeville. I think that the only thing that would close the Ford Plant in Hapeville would be a plane crashing into it (not to sound morbid).
 
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 2:46 am

Atlanta does not need a new International Terminal. Terminal E is only about 8 years old. It was specifically designed for International Travel. Building the International Terminal will not happen anytime soon. The politics in Atlanta, at present is not going to allow for it. The city uses the airport as a big affirmative action jobs program. The city currently needs about 4 Billion dollars to fix its sewers. There is a move on to privatize the airport, sell it or lease it and use some of the money to fix the sewers. Atlanta's sanitary and storm sewers are connected so every time it rains, raw sewage is dumped and the EPA has told the city no more extentions. The State Legislature would like to take over the airport and Delta is opposed to any money being used for other projects. Delta is still not out of the woods and they may have to agree in order to get other concessions, so the chances of some big project to build an unneeded terminal isn't likely to happen. The extra runway being built is also a boondoggle. If Delta hadnt switched so many flights to RJ's they wouldnt need it. The other problem is that aircraft will have to cross two active runways to reach it. Of course, if you look at the drawings, you can see the idiocy of it all. After the runway is built, they will claim they need the terminal to utilize the runway. International traffic basically lands between 1pm and 5pm, a slow traffic time. International Takeoffs occur between 4 pm and 8 pm, a busier time. Maybe after its built, they will move AirTran to the new terminal. That at least would utilize the new terminal if built, and Air Tran has very little interline traffic. Moving the other carriers over their, would not lighten the traffic load enough or utilize that runway.
 
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 2:52 am

How does clearing customs work at ATL? When I was walking through concourse E (almost a year ago) it appeared that the pax could just get off the plane and get on the train.

How does the baggage system work for int'l flights? It comes off somewhere in concourse E and then they have to check it from ATL to ATL to get it over to the main baggage claim? I'm confused.
 
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 3:09 am

There is no Int'l Terminal at present; just an Int'l Concourse. Big difference. The Westside Terminal, already under construction, will be added to the existing Concourse E to provide a Westside entrance to Midfield and much more convenience for O/D Int'l passengers.
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 3:14 am

How does clearing customs work at ATL? When I was walking through concourse E (almost a year ago) it appeared that the pax could just get off the plane and get on the train.

When you arrive from an international flt, you deplane and pick up your bags at carousels on a lever lower than where the gates are. So arriving passengers and departing passengers are essestially seperated. You go through customs, and once done, give your luggage back where they are palced on a belt and sent to the main baggage terminals on either the South or North terminals. So you're not really checking the bags in again per se. Passengers leave theie bags in this way, board the train, and proceed to the baggage terminal. This has always been my experience, unless it has changed in the past year and a half. And ATL has always been my termination point when travelling internationally, so I'm not sure what happens if you have conencting flts. I assume if you have a connection, you pick up the bag in the same manner and then proceed to the ticket counter for whichever flt your connection is on to have them checked onto your connecting flt. I don't think you can check bags in for connecting flts in the customs area itself.

It seems to me that if they were so insistent on using Jackson's name, they could have done so by simply naming one of the new terminals after him. Those who have said it here are correct, it will always remain ,to most, as just Hartsfield.

[Edited 2003-12-06 19:15:51]
 
toady
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 3:14 am

Whether or not an entire new International terminal is needed, I dont know. But something has to be done about international arrivals.

Venuscat2: This is the process for international arrivals at present.
Get off the plane and stand in huge lines for immigration clearance. Collect check-in baggage from carousel. Customs clearance, I think (?). Re-check that baggage for transportation to the Terminal carousels. Stand in another huge line for security clearance - this ensures that no person is carrying illegal items through the airport on their way to kerbside. Take train to Terminal building. Collect baggage from carousel. Exit the airport.
Last time I was at ATL (last Feb) it took me 2 hours from stepping off the plane to reaching kerbside. 2 bloody hours!!!
Like I said, something has to be done!

Edit: AASilverbird beat me to it!!

[Edited 2003-12-06 19:16:28]
 
AASilverbird
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 3:20 am

Oh, yeah, like Toady said. I forgot about going through security again before leaving the customs/immigration area.

LOL! Beat ya to it, but still left out a tidbit of info, so your post just as useful!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

[Edited 2003-12-06 19:23:15]
 
venuscat2
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 3:22 am

AASilverbird: If the arriving passengers are on the lower level, do they get off on the jetway or walk off the plane?

Thanks.
 
toady
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 3:29 am

Arriving passengers use jetways.

Did I beat AASilverbird this time?  Smile
 
AASilverbird
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 3:36 am

Hahah! Yup! you beat me this time, Toady....job well done!  Laugh out loud

Yes, Venuscat2, as Toady said, you do deplane via jetway where you first go through immigration and then take escalators down to claim your bags and go through customs.
 
venuscat2
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 3:44 am

But if the passengers come off the airplane upstairs, then they are not separated from the departing passengers? Is there any place to see a map of the lower level?

[Edited 2003-12-06 19:54:18]
 
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 3:45 am

I agree with DLMD11. LONG LIVE ATLANTA-HARTSFIELD INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. I will never say the name of that airport with Jackson in it. I will call the Int'l Concourse Maynard Jackson International Concourse though. Like it should have been.
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toady
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 3:58 am

Venuscat2: Arriving and deprarting passengers most certainly ARE separated. I'm not sure exactly how this is achieved - I've only seen it from a passenger's perspective. Is the jetway re-located/shifted for arrivals/departures? Maybe someone who is familiar with the mechanics of this separation can chime in here....
 
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RE: ATL Hartsfield

Sun Dec 07, 2003 5:32 am

Venuscat2: Arriving and departing passengers most certainly ARE separated. I'm not sure exactly how this is achieved - I've only seen it from a passenger's perspective. Is the jetway re-located/shifted for arrivals/departures? Maybe someone who is familiar with the mechanics of this separation can chime in here....

1) Upon exiting the jetway from an international flight at ATL, one goes up an escalator to the upper level of Concourse E (domestic arrivals just enter the main level of the concourse)

2) walks to the immigration hall in the center of the concourse for both US and Canadian Citizens or foreign nationals

3) clears immigration

4) goes down two levels to the ground floor to collect baggage

5) passes through US customs

6) rechecks bags if necessary

7) passes through another security check point

8) finally, goes down an escalator to the tram for connections or the main baggage claim

for those of us living in ATL, why don't they just raise the sales tax a penny in Fulton Co?

I think not. I live in Atlanta city in Fulton County, and I tire of having to pay substantially more in taxes sp those outside the perimeter can use our services without paying for them. My tax dollars are the only support for the "wonderful" MARTA system, the arts in metro Atlanta, and the city of Atlanta, which is the economic engine of Georgia. However, I would agree with you that getting the Hartsfield to pay for our sewer problems is the worst possible idea... maybe they should have an anti-corruption and efficiency campaign in the Atlanta city government. (ok, sorry for the rant... I just paid my ad-valorem taxes).

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