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A318 Orders/Reliability

Tue Dec 09, 2003 9:44 am

I was wondering, would any of you happen to know which airlines ordered the Airbus A318, how many they ordered, and when the deliveries are expected to be complete? I attempted to find this on the Airbus website the other night, but was a bit time-pressed and couldn't find anything.

Also, has the reliability of the aircraft improved since it was introduced? I read earlier on this forum that the F9 A318 fleet had an availibility of around 75%. Is it likely that given this, and the inferior economics of the type when compared to the larger Airbus narrowbodies, any more airlines will order the A318? I would be grateful for any information you have on this.

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RE: A318 Orders/Reliability

Tue Dec 09, 2003 11:02 am

This can't be expressed enough: all new aircraft experience low dispatch reliability for a while.

Even the 777 had abysmal dispatch reliability for the first year, but, as we all know, it now enjoys extremely good numbers.

Frames are still on order by Air France, Frontier, and America West, among others.

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RE: A318 Orders/Reliability

Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:05 pm

WGW, here:


The A318 is alive and well and reliable as hell.
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RE: A318 Orders/Reliability

Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:53 pm

Apparently, Mexicana is taking 10 A318's, leased from GECAS.

Frontier has 1 more (purchased) to come from the original order and is leasing 2 more, one for delivery April 04, and one for April 05.

When they announced their new Airbus deal, they also said they were going to lease - seperately from that deal - 16 A319's or A318's, but they didn't say which.


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RE: A318 Orders/Reliability

Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:06 pm

Ooops, sorry, forgot.

The Romanian airline, Tarom, has announced an order for 4.


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RE: A318 Orders/Reliability

Tue Dec 09, 2003 1:07 pm

The 318's seem to have better reliability as of late. The problems that we had with them originally were just "growing pains" so to speak. A new aircraft type...much like a new car...will always have some bugs to be worked out. It's a gorgeous plane...and especially fun to watch on liftoff...the plane is all wing....hard to notice much of a fuselage due to it's brevity.  Smile

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RE: A318 Orders/Reliability

Tue Dec 09, 2003 4:11 pm

Expect HP to cancel their order soon. They will go for another aircraft.
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RE: A318 Orders/Reliability

Tue Dec 09, 2003 4:23 pm

Did BA order the A318?
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RE: A318 Orders/Reliability

Tue Dec 09, 2003 6:19 pm

@Mariner: did you see any news that Tarom ordered the A318 or just the discussion on this forum? The deal was (apparently) signed on the 21st November , and if I am looking at the Excel datasheet with the orders and deliveries up to 30th November 2003 http://www.airbus.com/doc/media/ordersndeliveries/orders_n_deliveries.xls I can see only the two A310 that were ordered by Tarom and delivered long time ago. No mention whatsoever about the A318.

Therefore my two questions:

  1. Do you have any reliable information (confirmed by at least two agencies) that Tarom has signed the deal for the A318 (considering the fact that neither Tarom's website http://www.tarom.ro, nor the Airbus orders and deliveries http://www.airbus.com/doc/media/ordersndeliveries/orders_n_deliveries.xls mention this deal, I don't think it's reasonable to rely only one a single agency report.

  2. Assuming the deal was signed : is this way of "hiding" a signed deal a known practice in the aviation industry?

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RE: A318 Orders/Reliability

Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:47 am


I read the discussions on this forum and followed the links the provided. There were two threads, if I remember correctly, and I think there must have been at least two links.

The reason I remember is because the price was different each time. First link said (from memory) about $25 million per plane, and the next time it was much more than $40 million per plane.

It stuck in my head, because I couldn't imagine why there would be two different prices and because I know much Frontier is paying for the A318.

I had noticed that it doesn't show up in the Airbus website, which also surprised me, but it isn't unusual.

I haven't checked this morning, but as of yesterday the Airbus site didn't mention the sale to the Qantas low fare carrier, JetStar, which is pretty big deal for Airbus - not in sales, but in getting the whole order.

I don't know anything about the practise of "hiding" a signed deal. I'm not sure why they would, but then I don't make airplanes.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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RE: A318 Orders/Reliability

Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:52 am

I actually once eMailed Airbus to find out why the news-page on their website is so, how do I put this into friendly words, seldomly updated...

The response was that they only put things on there as soon as they've signed the contract AND received a deposit - so I guess that, in these cases, the second part hasn't happened yet...

Although I do wish they'd come up to speed a bit more on the website...
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RE: A318 Orders/Reliability

Wed Dec 10, 2003 1:02 am

I was very much looking forward to seeing the A318 at HP, but from all the news I hear....it's probably not going to happen. The current buzz is the A319 will end up being our smallest plane. Our new fare structure really needs more seats to be effective and with similiar operating costs to a 319, the 318 does not look very good anymore. Also we need planes like yesterday...so it would probably be easy to convert the 15 or so A318 orders to A319. There is lots of growth planned and they need planes to do that.

It would be nice to have a 100 seat plane, but it would have to be pretty efficient for our management to look at it. It would just be a big jump from an 80 seat CR9 to a 124 seat A319!
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RE: A318 Orders/Reliability

Wed Dec 10, 2003 1:08 am


I've heard whispers about that, too, but it's been a persistent rumor for awhile.

Would it help speed of delivery, though? From what I've heard - and I could be very wrong - the A318 doesn't have it's own production line. I read that they just slot them in to the A319 line.

If it's true, then that's commonality for you.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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RE: A318 Orders/Reliability

Wed Dec 10, 2003 1:15 am

Hey everyone. . .

Does anybody know how many 318s are firm? Just wondering if A. is breaking even with the 318 venture. . .or is the 318 going to be another 736?

Love seeing those Babybuses all around DEN. . .

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RE: A318 Orders/Reliability

Wed Dec 10, 2003 8:59 pm

The delay in America West's A318 deliveries is due to the PW6000 engine's problems, not any aircraft production issues.
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