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ATA Moves Towards The Top

Wed Dec 10, 2003 5:25 am

Several good events have happened in the past few months that have really shown the traveling public that ATA is not to be counted out so quickly. In a recent article Chris Barnett praised ATA on the makeover that the airline has undergone. http://www.zyworld.com/brancatelli/cbarnettorg.htm Also ATA was ranked number 2 for Ontime performance http://www.bts.gov/oai/airline_ontime_performance/ The airline is also going to be aquiring several exNational 757-200s to add to the fleet. Also from what i've heard that the junkbonds have been signed and the debt payment has been settled. Rumors but no real word from the company yet. Also it looks as to ATA Connection is going to be aquiring 23 SAAB 2000s to replace the aging yet reliable SAAB 340Bs.

Looks like ATA as a company and an Airline is in a better situation and will be around to stay for some time.
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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Wed Dec 10, 2003 5:51 am

I'm not really familiar with ATA, but I know they serve an airport in my region (CLT). Being all-coach, do they have better seat pitch than mainline carriers in do in coach?
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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:03 am

GSPSOT,

From what I understand, the seating pitch in the 757-200 aircraft has recently been increased from 30/31 inches to 33 inches. I believe the rest have either 30 or 31 inch pitch.
 
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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:03 am

GSPSOT,

From what I understand, the seating pitch in the 757-200 aircraft has recently been increased from 30/31 inches to 33 inches. I believe the rest have either 30 or 31 inch pitch.

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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:26 am

If I'm not mistaken, those will be the first SAAB 2000s in North America.
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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:58 am

Now if ATA would just focus on serving her employees, everything would be blue skies! Don't get me wrong iots a great company to work for but they screw us out of pay. Also, the work load expected of us ramp rats is probably higher than any other airline in the US. I have reepeatedly been called off break to fill in gaps at other gates because we just can't keep employees.

But best of luck to our up and coming airline
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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Wed Dec 10, 2003 7:20 am

i'd like to see better connection times. given the heightened competition among airlines, particularly with regards to transcontinental service, i often have difficulty buying an ata ticket, when i can buy another airline's ticket for the same price, but with better connection times. otherwise, ata is great!

also, great to hear the saab 2000s are coming; awesome planes. however, one has to wonder why they would use such a large turbo prop rather than regional jet.
 
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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Wed Dec 10, 2003 7:23 am

Maybe for the ability to carry more luggage and cargo over what a regional jet can in fact carry!
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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Wed Dec 10, 2003 7:38 am

"also, great to hear the saab 2000s are coming; awesome planes. however, one has to wonder why they would use such a large turbo prop rather than regional jet."

It comes down to a few different reasons...first these Saab 2000s will cost a ton less to acquire because they are used as opposed to being new. Also, operating cost. The regional jets have proven to be a difficult thing for the low cost/fare carriers unless they fill 80% of the seats (ala Jet Connect). What I am confused at is why would we replace our backbone right now? They are doing wonders for us and are our workhorse. The only reason I can think of would be the fact there is no commonality. But we'll see...I'd like to see the 340s for some of the thinner routes or for frequency and the 2000s for expansion and range.

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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Wed Dec 10, 2003 7:43 am

No one seems to know where ATA is going with the 6 or 8, 757-200's? Any guesses?
 
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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Wed Dec 10, 2003 8:52 am

I doesn't show on their pax boarding. Here in ewr, they are lucky to get 47% full on flts to MDW and SFO.




 
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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Wed Dec 10, 2003 10:38 am

No one seems to know where ATA is going with the "6 or 8, 757-200's" (sic) because we aren't going anywhere new with them per se. They will be used primarily for system spares -- a luxury we have not had in some time -- and to add frequency and right size our flying.

Vanguard -- what's the problem with working hard at work? Try a day in a C8 outstation where agents are cross-utilized and you'll be begging to go back to MDW and load a GDL flight. Getting screwed out of pay? You guys are union, correct? I'm sure you're at the top of your game if you take the time to contribute to this forum, but, from what I've observed waiting for flights in MDW, y'all have some real characters as coworkers.

Cb777 -- I'm not sure where you got your number from, but NY flights tend to go out more than half full most of the time when I'm looking at them. The SFO flights are light, but, remember that the red-eye is all gravy. The airplane would be sitting overnight in SFO in between Hawaii turns if we didn't fly the transcon with it. As long as direct operating costs are covered, we're in good shape.

I'd be surprised to see a Saab 2000 announcement anytime soon. ATA's debt load is high and isn't shrinking with the addition of more mainline a/c. C8 is the ATA step-child and will only see a new fleet when it befits ATA to give us such. Undoubtedly we will eventually operate a larger turboprop as opposed to RJs for the reasons enumerated above.

The connection times in MDW will be improving as more of our new gates come online in MDW next year. This will top off the MDW flying and from there we might be able to look at lowering the minimum connection time -- at least between certain flights. Remember, MDW is largely O&D traffic -- connx opportunities are gravy.

Pitch ranges from 30-to-33 inches across the mainline fleet.

Great job to all in achieving record punctuality numbers!

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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Wed Dec 10, 2003 1:44 pm

"They will be used primarily for system spares -- a luxury we have not had in some time -- and to add frequency and right size our flying" 2 or 3 A/C for spares sound feasible but that leaves 4-6 to do what? You could start up a whole airline with a few hundred employees with 4-6 planes. I hear something is brewing in terms of beefing up in an existing city.

"I doesn't show on their pax boarding. Here in ewr, they are lucky to get 47% full on flts to MDW and SFO" I know for a fact that their loads from EWR-MDW are 70%+ on average. That means they are making money based on their CASM. EWR-SFO have been sold out on some days but light on others (during the week). I think it is a shame that CO is wasting gas trying to blow the route for them with their increased frequencies. How are their (CO)loads anyone care to comment?

 
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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:41 am

I would look for an existing city to get an increase in frequency and also to give us some operational spares incase of maintence problems. The 753's have started to make inland appearances instead of being sent to the West Coast to service Hawaii.
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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Fri Dec 12, 2003 3:14 am

A very good friend of mine had to go last minute business. He called me and asked me about ATA. I told him that I would fly them and that the rumor mill says they really have gotten their act together. The last time we had flown them was in 1996 from HNL to LAX on an L-1011. The crew was great. But we vowed never again.

So he got a ticket on them. CLT MDW LAX and back. Flew on the 738 and 752. When he got to LAX he phoned to say how impressed he was. And that ATA had done a better job than the company I have flown for, for 14 years. He had a great flight with ATA but lost his passes from me and my airline  Smile
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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Fri Dec 12, 2003 5:49 am

Thanks for the compliment, Flyguyclt...I know it sounds hokey, but it really is rewarding to be part of a turnaround -- especially when people notice!

May the new year bring your carrier much prosperity,

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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Fri Dec 12, 2003 5:51 am

Do those new airplanes come from the factory with the ATA standard cattle car odor?
 
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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:07 am

Is Chicago Express owned by ATA? if not, they'd be payinf for the 2000s, right?
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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:38 am

I also decided to give ATA a shot recently PHL-MDW-DEN r/t and I was very impressed as well...and I especially liked the 757-200's with the massive seat pitch...seemed to be way more than 33" there!

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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Fri Dec 12, 2003 1:45 pm

ATA has really changed. They have to do a better PR job but I know they are working on it. Their service is being beefed up in many ways and would not be surprised if they started offering business class on some flights.
 
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RE: ATA Moves Towards The Top

Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:44 pm

As I understand it, Chicago Express D/B/A ATA Express is a subsidiary of the holding company that owns/runs ATA.
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