martinairyyz
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WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:25 am

I was always wondering this: Why does Westjet have more flights in and out of YHM than YYZ?? It it becuase of landing rates? If this is the case, I feel that they are another airline that has been affected by the GTAA's fees.......
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:31 am

There are several reasons why. First, when WestJet first flew to YHM they had no competition in an untapped market of +600K people. To this day, they still don't have any competition. YYZ's landing fees are much higher than YHM's. The sheer size of YYZ, makes short turn times of 20-30 unfeasible, if not impossible. This is why YYZ is only used as a point-to-point base for flights to western Canada and not as a hub like YHM.
 
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:33 am

WestJet is a low cost carrier and is based in Calgary. Part of their strategy was to expand into Eastern Canada, but they really wanted to avoid Toronto. So instead they decided to build their Eatsren hub in YHM. Cost is a big factor. Plus, there's a market. Why does anyone who lives in Hamilton or Niagara have to drive the extra 40 minute jourbey to get to YYZ.

The Toronto flights are end point flights. No connecting WestJet flights are available out of YYZ. YHM has flights to Ottawa, Montreal Halifax and so on....
 
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:36 am

Thanks for the info!!  Big thumbs up

And on the topic of WestJet, are they planning expansion into the USA any time soon?

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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:45 am

There have been some talks in the past about flights to the US. So far, nothing concrete is on the horizon.

WestJet instaed is doing a lot of charter flights to Mexico on behalf of tour operators. They do operate flight to Las Vegas, but they are just simply charters.

I think WestJet could start offering flights to the US to a number of profitable destinations (LAX for instance), especially that they have very good market share in cities like YEG and they could generate good loads.

Many people expepect Zip to start flying to the US after the bankruptcy situation is looked after. America West has recently expended into Western Canada too (More flights to YYC and YVR and recently a daily flight to PHX and there talks of even more expansion and offering non-stop flights to LAS). So I am sure WestJet is following these development and this will have an impact on whether they do launch service to the US.
 
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 7:01 am

America West also does almost-daily flights to YYZ.... I looked at it and a great obstace for the building Canadian aviation community would be in JetBlue expanded into Canada. they have very low fare and will be a probable competitor for SG and WJ.

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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 7:09 am

Yegbey is bang on. It all comes down to cost and Hamilton's price is just right. Since starting service to Hamilton, Westjet has helped launch YHM into 9'th position for passenger traffic in Canada. Hamilton is also building a new terminal (complete with seven double bridges) for Westjet.

In regards to service to the US, I believe 2004 will be the year.
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 7:18 am

Welcome MartinairYYZ.....

I think YYZ was a must for WJ, they started out with just a few flights a day and now are increasing by just a few. I believe that WJ wants to cover all the Canadian Provinces but with the likes of Jetsgo and Canjet they have slowed down a bit. They are just trying these eastern markets. I think there is a flight that connects Thunderbay with YOW and YHM, it does a circle if i am not mistaken? They have a good business philosphy and it works for them! Plan on seeing more YYZ flights but not anytime soon....and watch out for longer YVR-the East Coast, with their "Wingletted" aircraft!

Again, Welcome and i am sure we are all glad that there is another YYZ'er in the forum's

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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:28 am

Thanks for the welcoming Grant  Smile

I am not scared one bit that WJ will have a long life ahead. Since AC is going unsteady and their stocks are moving up and down between $0.95 and $0.41 *laughs* every day, In don't know what'l happen. If AC goes down, YYZ will decrease with almost half its traffic, hopefully though some codeshare airlines will fly their own jets here. I am near the survival borderline just a bit on the "SURVIVE" side....AC to stay and see more planes .... or AC to go and see more international planes but more boring spotting days.....

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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:38 am

YYZ has service to and from YWG as well. YOW is also seeing some development in terms of connecting flights - particularily to YYT and YQX, if memory serves. But there's not that many to speak of, daily.

WestJet is still primarily a Western Canadian airline - their route structure is built around moving people around the West, with Eastern service still primarily point-to-point. A lot of WestJet's customers still move from East to West in their system, as there isn't a lot of "regional" travel available in the eastern areas of the country.
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:41 am

With their ever increasing presence in eastern Canada, any word on when they may open up a crew base in YHM or YYZ? It must be costing them more to have crew stay in hotels all the time, and create inefficiencies having flights from YHM further east with YYC based crews.
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:49 am

I doubt it, Cap'n. The savings from having a single crew base in YYC would exceed the costs of opening a second in the East. WestJet apparently has quite a few people dedicated to crew scheduling, in order to keep costs down.... from what I've heard, it's quite impressive how efficiently they can move crews around.
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 11:25 am

"The sheer size of YYZ, makes short turn times of 20-30 unfeasible, if not impossible.", "Plan on seeing more YYZ flights but not anytime soon."

Hey guys... give us a chance... short turn times are not impossible in YYZ, we stick to the same standards as the rest of WestJet! We routinely turn our aircraft in 30 minutes or less too! The average taxi-in/out times for YYZ are only 6 & 15 mins respectively.

As for growth in YYZ, don't under estimate that either. Now I don't know anything concrete, but consider this, in our year-and-a-half of opearting into YYZ we've gone from 4 flights and 12 agents to 12 flights and over 50 agents. That is significant growth, and I've heard that we could even double in YYZ next year, or even more... so keep your eyes open for news. We currently service, YYC. YEG, YVR, YWG, and YQT... I'm sure more destinations are on the drawing board.
 
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 11:48 am

Thanks WestjetYYZ!!!! Hope to seen antoher Westjet expansion in YYZ..... greatly needed to keep spotters entertained Big grin

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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 11:50 am

I can't see more expansion at YYZ for WestJet in big numbers right now. Zip will eventually start flying into YYZ at some point.
 
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 11:53 am

""""'Zip will eventually start flying into YYZ at some point."""""""


Looking forward to seeing the pink monster in here whenever and if ever it comes  Smile
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 11:56 am

The plan is to get rid of those old 732's that AC inherited from CP.

And as you know AC will be selecting the new A/C in the next few days. Many of those planes will be going straight to Zip which I expect will be depoyed on many US routes eventualy
 
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:32 pm

Westjet might start flying into YYZ more then now but they will remail focused on YHM. they have proven this with their new hangar they have opened. BTW nice load factor report today eh.
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Wed Dec 10, 2003 4:22 pm

Yea, second month in a row where load factor has increased from 2002 #'s.. Good news for sure!

Gomes, I have a few friends in the training/recruiting departments and they've been hinting at the fact that we may be opening a new training center in Hamilton. Nothing has been set in stone and this will not be happening for quite some time, but the idea is out there. The main "problem" (aside from costs) of opening a second training base is that there could possibly be a division of east/west culture/standards. Sounds goofy but for an airline that prides itself on customer service and culture, this is a major factor in any decision.

I can't comment on where, why, or when, but there will be major expansion during the latter part of 2004. All aircraft (including the additional 10 aircraft that will be added to the fleet by Sept) will have LiveTV, winglets, and seat mods completed by this time. Since this topic is about Toronto, I'd expect a lot of additional flights in/out of Toronto, specifically from Vancouver.
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Thu Dec 11, 2003 2:38 am

Hey CanadaEh, I've heard the same rumors that we could expect more YVR non-stops (as many as another 2)... but it's certainly been hinted that YYZ will see major growth this year... will see what happens! I know they have big plans.
 
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Thu Dec 11, 2003 2:50 am

Cool topic.

Yeah, Bottom line is that Calgary is the main headquarters/homebase for the airline. Which by the way keeps adding new 737s every month along with a pair of winglets for existing ones!  Smile

I think YYZ can pull off 20 minute turn arounds, ..Just get the flights to arrive at 2am! Big grin
Anyways, Hamilton is their second home base mainly for eastern connections except to YYZ which is point to point from the West.
Even Edmonton has a small minor base for WestJet as the airline opened up a hangar there some time back.
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Thu Dec 11, 2003 5:18 am

Bo, 011 is operational with winglets and 005 is in the hangar was we speak getting them installed. 217 just arrived last week and should be flying in the next few days.
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:03 am

Ohhhh.... looking formward to more WestJet with winglets! If I am not mistaken; all their planes are getting fitted, correct?
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:22 am

All the -700's, yes.

Currently, 003, 007, 008, and 011 have winglets, with 005 in the hangar right now getting them installed. Aircraft 001 to 011 have had seat mods completed and are now configured for 136 PAX. At the end of 2004 we'll have 37 -700's with winglets.
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:24 am

All 73Gs are getting refitted, the 732s are not of course.

WestJetYYZ, no doubt you guys can turn the aircraft around in YYZ at the gate in 20-30 minutes, but due due the average total of 21 mins total taxiing time, to get in & out of YYZ in approx 1/2 hour wouldn't be feasible.

WS does have some limited, non-YHM connections through YOW in the east. Currently, just about everyone heading to YYT or YQX connects thru YOW.
 
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:27 am

Awesome news to hear Canada(Brandon).
Gotta check out the newly delivered 217 and 011 winglets.
As for current fleet with them isnt it 003(FKWS), 008(GTWS), 009(GUWS) and 011(GWSH)?
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:30 am

Hey YOW... those taxi times are preety comparable to other bases such as YEG, YYC, YVR, YWG etc... so I don't see YYZ having any disadvantage over any other airport. WS would not have started service to YYZ if they did not believe we could perform as well as any other station. The guest loads out of YYZ which are very high, and the opportunities for cargo certainly outweight the increased costs.
 
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:36 am

You're right, my bad Bo.

Taxi times are not included in turn times, no? Maybe WestjetYYZ can clarify, but isn't a turn defined as the moment the doors are opened to the moment the doors are closed? Push times, taxi times, ATC holds, etc. are all not included when it comes to turning an aircraft.
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:25 am

That is correct CanadaEh... turn is from chocks on till doors are closed. The other things are included in the block time ...
 
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Thu Dec 11, 2003 10:34 am

I'd think a 20-30 miute turn is possible in YYZ although the catering crew better be quicker than on BA97!!! another thing: I've never seen them but does WJ fly the 732 to YYZ on a regular basis?

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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:06 pm

Nope, only the -700's. I can only recall one time when a -200 was flown to YYZ that was from YYC as a sub for a mechanical -700.
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RE: WestJet Main Bases

Thu Dec 11, 2003 10:53 pm

WestJetYYZ...no doubt WS is having great success in YYZ. All I'm trying to say is that YHM is much better suited for hubbing than YYZ given it's smaller size and YYZ for point-to-point ops. Although WS doesn't really even have a true hub system anywhere. YHM and YYC are more like focus cities than anything à la SWA model.

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