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PIA 747-300 Replacement?

Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:41 pm

Wont happen soon but will they go for 744s or the A340-500/600?
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RE: PIA 747-300 Replacement?

Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:47 pm

Probably neither as it appears that they are favoring the 777-200.
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RE: PIA 747-300 Replacement?

Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:53 pm

The 777s are not to replace the 743 only the 742 also the 200 version is mainly like a third wide body type which falls in between their 743 and A310 fleet, a void that was formed when they got rid of their DC10s in 1985 a big mistake, so basically its like a DC10 replacement for them.
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RE: PIA 747-300 Replacement?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:02 am

A346s? Unlikely.
B744s? Secondhand, very likely.
B773s? Maybe.
But I think the 744 option has more chances, as only that aircraft can be seen as atrue 743 replacement. 773 would be halfway between 772 (which they will soon have) and 743/744. And PIA needs serious money if they go for the smaller airplane.

But as the 743s have just been bought from CX last year (off lease) I doubt any orders or plans are likely to be announced before around 2006/7. PIA still operates a few 742s, of which some are more than 10 years older than the 743s that came from CX.
 
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RE: PIA 747-300 Replacement?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:49 am

Na: PIA already has 3 777-300ER on order.

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RE: PIA 747-300 Replacement?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:53 am

PIA's 777-200 and 777-300 order is as follows (per Boeing archives):

WASHINGTON, Nov. 14, 2002 - U.S. and Pakistani government officials joined executives from Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) and The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] in a signing ceremony today to formalize a definitive agreement for PIA to purchase eight new Boeing 777 airplanes.

The ceremony, held at the U.S. Department of Commerce in Washington, D.C., was attended by Deputy Secretary Sam Bodman of the Department of Commerce, Pakistan Secretary of Defense and Chairman of Pakistan International Airlines Corporation (PIAC) Lt. Gen. Hamid Nawaz Khan, Mr. Ahmed Saeed, Managing Director, PIA, and senior PIA and Boeing officials.

The airplane order, valued at $1.5 billion, includes three 777-200ER (extended-range), two 777-200LR (longer-range) and three 777-300ER (extended-range) airplanes for use on PIA's long-haul routes. This is the largest airplane order in the history of PIA. Deliveries are scheduled to begin in 2004 and continue through 2008.

"The Boeing Company is a true partner. We have worked together to develop effective solutions and a plan to meet our airline's vision for continued growth and improved profitability," said PIAC Chairman Khan. "This plan includes the newest, high technology airplane on the market - the 777 family. The 777 is the right airplane for our needs because it will enhance our operational efficiencies and profitability."

Boeing's long-standing relationship with PIA extends nearly 30 years. The carrier currently operates a mixed fleet of 707, 737 and 747 airplanes. With this latest agreement, the United States and Pakistan are developing stronger relationships that benefit both industry and government.

"After a thorough and transparent evaluation of new, used and lease alternatives, we have reached a solution that builds on PIA's market strategy," said Douglas Groseclose, vice president, International Sales, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "The 777 family provides the flexibility to meet PIA's needs now and into the future. We look forward to expanding our close working relationship."

PIA's 777-200ERs will seat 327 passengers in a two-class configuration. The 777 sets a new level of comfort and spaciousness for air travel because of the new Boeing Signature Interior, which currently is offered on Boeing twin-aisle products. The Boeing 777 is the only jetliner to receive the Industrial Design Excellence Award for its passenger cabin. Recent surveys of thousands of passengers flying long-range routes around the world revealed an overwhelming preference for the 777 - more than three out of four passengers worldwide.

For improved, more efficient in-flight service, the 777 is equipped with an advanced cabin management system. Linked to a computerized control console, the cabin management system assists cabin crews with many tasks and allows airlines to provide new services for passengers, including a digital sound system comparable to the most state-of-the-art home stereo or disc players.

The 777's advanced wing design enhances the airplane's ability to climb quickly and cruise at higher altitudes and speeds than competing airplanes. It also allows the airplane to carry full passenger payloads out of many high-elevation, high-temperature airfields.

GE90 engines will power the Boeing 777s. General Electric Aircraft Engines is the sole producer of engines for the 777-200LR and 777-300ER airplanes.

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RE: PIA 747-300 Replacement?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 2:17 am

Thanks. Forgot about it. Now I remember, this deal was part of the rumoured compensation thing between the US and Pakistan over Musharrafs help in the Afghan war.
But were these 773 meant to replace the 743s?
 
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RE: PIA 747-300 Replacement?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 2:30 am

No, the 773ER are to replace the three 747-200 two of which seem to have already been grounded.
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RE: PIA 747-300 Replacement?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 4:31 am

The two B747-200 combis (AP-BAK & AP-BAT) are the trans-atlantic work horses of PIA, and would not be grounded till the A310 freighters are added to the fleet.
 
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RE: PIA 747-300 Replacement?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 1:16 am

Perhaps 3 744M would have been a better deal instead of the 773ER.
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RE: PIA 747-300 Replacement?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 3:25 am

Airmale,
looking at current market prices of used 744s and new 773s it would have been a far better deal to buy Jumbos, absolutely. But I guess Pakistan got a fantastic offer by Boeing backed by the US governnment. The Us owe Pakistan some favour...
 
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RE: PIA 747-300 Replacement?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 3:52 am

I think the 773ER will fit in nicely with PIA"s existing route structure, but they desperately need an aircraft to replace the various A300s and A310s. I think the A330 would be perfect fit, but it seems politics trumps business sense in that part of the world.
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