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CO EWR-ABE?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:40 am

Does anyone know the real purpose of CO's route between EWR and ABE? The only thing I can think of is that it is used primarily for connecting passengers, which leads to my next question. Why doesn't COEX fly the route? They have routes that are shorter out of CLE and IAH. Also if anyone used the route originating in EWR they would be stupid. I was just looking at it at continental.com and the fare was $174. That's outrageous compared to the everyday public transportation you can take for probably close to thirty dollars. Any input would be great..

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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:49 am

COEX used to fly from EWR to Allentown, Scranton, Harrisburg, Bangor, Presque Isle, Martha's Vineyard, Binghamton, Ithaca, Elmira, Islip, Atlantic City, Bridgeport, New Haven, New London etc..

They dropped those routes because COEX was transitioning to all jet fleet, and these flights did not make sense flying RJs.

Also Allentown is a straight shot down 78 from EWR, you could make it to Easton in an hour by car.
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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:50 am

If you're flying LAX-ABE, CO can fly you through EWR and then route you to ABE, collecting what is probably a higher fare because of the comparatively low level of competition at that market... Also, someone flying from MIA or BOS isn't going to notice that they're connecting through EWR and then taking a 30 minute flight to a destination less than 2 hours away by car.

Why it's not COEX, I'm not sure, but it could be that the city is large enough to warrant a larger aircraft. I know USAir was doing an MCI-CLT-RDU route awhile back...
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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:53 am

This route used to be operated with a bus. Other bus routes by the airlines that I can think of include: SJC-SFO (UA), ORD-RFD (either AA or UA, maybe both) and Valujet/AirTran's shuttles from ATL to CSG, CHA and MCN. Do any of these still run with busses?
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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:18 am

Back when CoEx had props, they would use a Beech 1900 on this route. From my relative's house in Philipsburg, I can be at EWR in 45 minutes, so it is not that big of a deal...just hope I-78 isn't a parking lot.

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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:27 am

This route IS operated by a bus, another example of misleading advertising...If you go to continental.com and look it up, it actually shows flight numbers and fares but under equipment it clearly says "BUS." You do however get 500 OnePass miles each way!!
 
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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:33 am

I thought that it was operated via land...it used to show "BUS" (note: not Airbus, rather the Greyhound variety) in the CO timetable (when they used to still print them). TOO close miles and actual driving from what I heard to operate it via air.
 
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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 10:07 am

Does anyone see Continental doing what they did in CLE and IAH and get a regional carrier such as Commutair in and start flying some of the shorter routes again from EWR?
As with the whole EWR-ABE thing it really doesn't make much sense no matter how you put it. If you are a passenger coming flying within the U.S. and are going to ABE than you can connect through CLE granted there are not as many flights, but if you do have go to EWR its only a 45-60 minute drive down 78 as everyone else has stated. If you can't have someone pick you up in EWR than there is plenty of mass transit options from EWR going out there.

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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:10 am

Actually, Continental Express did NOT fly to PQI in the years immediately before transitioning to an all-jet fleet. Commutair did when they began flying for CO, but it was very short-lived.
 
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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:29 am

At the end, EWR-PQI was 2 flights per day. Right before the PQI/CO station was closed, the flights operated thru BGR, (PQI-BGR-EWR).
In regards for EWR-ABE......The B1900's, (and occasional EMB-120), were replaced with buses. The major reason was that when EWR were running ATC delays in/out, the first flights that were CXLD were the ABE flights, (due to length of flt), and the customers were given ground transportation to ABE.
The flights were replaced with as many as 8 bus trips per day. Now I think they are down to 3 trips per day. CO also operated "BUS" service between EWR-POU and EWR-TTN.
 
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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:00 pm

BGR-EWR was cut in 1999 i think when it was pulling THE highest load factor out of EWR for COex. I heard when they did this, they were going to give us RJ service to CLE, but instead they give us BE1s to ALB which are lucky to go out with more than 5 pax most of the time. The morning ALB flight requires a very long connection to get to EWR so it does not tie into the CO system at all. BGR really should have service to EWR as the passengers are there if the flights went into EWR at the right times. WOW that was a big tangent, but oh well.

I did go on the bus EWR -ABE in 1998. It was weird because one passeger flipped out that the driver was lost when he took a left out of the gat instead of a right toward the planes. My dad then explained that it was a bus that took them to Allentown. She was still upset however.
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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:20 pm

BGR's last flight was October 28th, 1999. We only had 2 flights to EWR, (6:30am and 2:15pm). I scheduled everyone to be there that day for the "last dance", and wouldn't you know it, we were an hour late due to MX.
BGR was running the highest load factor for any COEX station in the EWR region. "BGR is too far away from a hub" was the reason we received. The yield was low, but still....
Now look at the routes the RJ's are flying, (EWR-OMA, EWR-STL, EWR-DAB, etc...).
Oh well...I guess things happen for a reason. It worked out pretty good for most of us.....
 
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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:35 pm

CO also codeshares (I think you can call it that) with Amtrak on "flights" between Philly (30th St.) and EWR. I'm not sure if they still operate the B1900 from PHL-EWR as well.
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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:38 pm

COEX operates 1 SRJ EWR-PHL per day..
 
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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:42 pm

If you can't have someone pick you up in EWR than there is plenty of mass transit options from EWR going out there.

Which may not be convenient. While there surely are regular public buses from Newark to Allentown (and probably to Bethlehem and Easton too), they most likely do not operate from either airport. Additional connections would be needed.
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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:44 pm

You can "code share" on Amtrak Northeast Regional trains from New Haven, Stamford, Philadelphia and Wilmington Delaware to Newark Airport's Rail link station.

You can also earn One Pass miles for riding Amtrak from other Northeast destinations to EWR, or by taking Amtrak's Acela Express from NY Penn to Boston or Washington D.C.
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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 2:15 pm

Yea I looked at that flight on CO.com, and from EWR to ABE they wanted like $180 RT... It would royally suck if you were the normal passenger, and were looking for a flight from somewhere to ABE and CO turned out to be the cheapest, and you go to EWR and all of a sudden CO was like "Oh, you're on a bus to ABE, see you outside!"....
 
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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Thu Dec 11, 2003 2:30 pm

It takes only 2 hours by bus max to Newark from Bethlehem. I believe all their services are bus services, not air services. US Air however, operate an even shorter route: ABE-PHL, about 10 miles shorter than ABE-EWR. Flying time is around 40 minutes while driving to Philly takes about 50 mintues without traffic.
 
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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 5:55 am

If any of you have taken the bus, do they give you an actual airline-style boarding pass for it? Do you have to go through security? Is the bus operated to FAA standards?  Smile
 
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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:13 am

Also with the bus do they have a bus attendant. What about a beverage service? Just wondering..  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: CO EWR-ABE?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:24 am

Acually I have flown ABE to PHL to connect on to MIA. EWR I think is a bit further. So I guess 98% of passengers on an ABE to EWR are there to connect to a different destination.

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