gamarocchi
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Pan Am (not The Real One)

Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:35 am

Hi, I am curious about the new airline which called itself Pan Am. I know they fly from Pease (Portsmouth, NH) and from other airports in Maine mainly to Florida and tropical destinations in the Caribbeans. I would like to hear about experiences flying with them and about the status of the airline (load factors, economic situation in general). I may fly with them to Florida next summer, their price is not bad, besides I will be in Dover NH during the summer and Pease is very close and convenient from there. I am sorry if this was already discussed in the board, I searched the topic but nothing interesting came out of it.

Regards,

Gian Andrea
 
elwood64151
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:39 am

Last I knew, the company was private, so they don't have to report financial figures like corporations do. However, I could be wrong about this.

I've never flown them.
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gamarocchi
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:20 am

So noone has experience about Panam? I just heard from a single other airliner member who traveled with them......
 
schiller64
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:40 am

Took PanAm from Westchester (HPN) to Martha's Vineyard twice this summer over the weekend on a - I guess - a BAe Jetstream 31. Nice to see the original Pan Am colors, albeit on a very small plane. Can't say a bad thing about them. The route appears to be seasonal only, but it was nice to beat the traffic out there & the fare was reasonable.
 
EMBQA
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:00 am

Well...... They are really not that 'new'. I think they have been flying for around 4-5 years now. I don't know if I would pay for your ticket too far in advance, with today economy I'm really not that sure what market nitch they have to offer. Boston is not that far away from PSM, and MHT is even closer. JetBlue servers BOS and Southwest is in MHT.
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gamarocchi
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:22 am

EMBQA: you are right that Bos and MHT are not so far. Still, we are talking about 45 minutes to MHT, a little more than 1 hour to BOS (if there is no traffic) vs 20 minutes to PSM. Besides Boston Logan is a really busy airport while PSM has almost only this Pan Am. And add to that that if I want to go to Orlando, PAN Am has a really good fare with a direct flight. But to be sincere what attracts me most about them is that I guess I would fly with their 727 (which would a first for me) :P.
 
sprxflySWA
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:32 am

I think they have quit more cities than they serve.
They have been to MidAmerica,IL and Gary,IN and their commuter, Boston-Maine Airways seems to start and end service at the drop of a hat.
 
jeffrey1970
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:18 am

They fly to Baltimore (BWI)
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NORDO
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:17 am

Gian,

I pretty sure the PAA B727 from PSM lands at Sanford FL (SFB). That is 45 min from Disney. MCO is only 20 min. from Disney. Taxi and bus charters are also more expensive.
 
aa757first
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:09 am

They also dropped ABE.

AAndrew
 
propilotjw
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:50 am

I used to do ramp work at MidAmerica Airport when they flew there. When they started flying to BLV, a/c were full all of the time but it changed. They pulled out after their passenger count was peaking at 9pax per flight. Yes that's 9 per flight...the reason this happened was because the planes were being run out was wazoo and when an aircraft would break, there was no aircraft to cover. Planes were late, and passengers just weren't pleased with what Pan Am III was offering them and Pan Am III finially pulled out on Dec. 3 2000. Passengers that I would talk to liked the single class w/ good seat pitch and breakfast food. The thing that put Pan Am out of BLV was themselves.
 
KYIPpilot
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:57 am

I have seen a Pan Am 727 at Willow Run (KYIP) a couple of times. I don't know who chartered them, though.
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cs03
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:59 am

In these uncertain times, they are trying to find markets that "fit" what they consider a "moneymaker", and they go into markets that might work, without other airlines "in the way"! They are finding out where they can make money, and it seems they are taking on more charter work for Boston tour operators, as it is constant and busy work!
 
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Fri Dec 12, 2003 12:18 pm

They recently started flying into Myrtle Beach with nonstop 727's from Sanford and Manchester. Also, they now operate a MHT-SFB nonstop twice-weekly.


Stephen/New Orleans
 
acvitale
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:50 am

The seats have some of the most generous legroom I have ever seen.

The airline offers hot meals on some flights

Very clean aircraft

Flew them from FLL to POS and back
 
COEWRNJ
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:53 am

They came back to EWR one or two summers ago. I remember seeing on e of their 727's land as I was getting on to the NJ Turnpike. I think their destinations were PSM and SFB from EWR. I don't think they were there for more than two months.

Dave
 
IflyORL
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Sat Dec 13, 2003 12:15 pm

I have flown Pan Am several times from Sanford to Portsmith. Its very nice. Very easy boarding at the airports because there are very few flights from either. Luggage very easy to get after deplaneing. No complaints here. Plus the flights are cheap. I would give it a shot.
 
flybp
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:58 am

we have flown pa3 a few times. PSM to SFD roundtrip; PSM to BGR roundtrip and PSM to Tampa/St. Petersburg also round trip. we were thrilled with each trip. PSM is very easy- free parking, intimate terminal, and very clean. the 727s are clean and roomy, the flight attendents were very friendly, and flying non stop at great prices is an additional plus. i know pa has been criticized for pulling out of cities, and for not having backup planes when there are mechanical issues, but one must wonder if that doesn't come with the territory with a small start up flying only a few planes at a time. we look forward to flying with them again--!
 
gamarocchi
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:29 am

Thank you for your replies!!
Flybp, you know, free parking at the airport is a big plus of PSM. I am sorry that almost only Pan Am uses it, but since I really would like to visit Florida it's lucky for me :P! Anyway I was searching Yahoo! Finance about Pan Am, and it states that the airline will take 27 used aircraft from United! Does anyone have news about this? I hope they can grow in the future..
 
jeffrey1970
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:47 am

COEWRNJ,

They also flew too Sn Juan, Puerto Rico from Newark.

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Jeff
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N1120A
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:50 am

I would fly Pan shAm if you get the chance, especially if you have no 727 experience and want to get one in your log book. Also, their 727s are some of the few with winglets (I know Aviacsa has at least one as well, I saw it at LAX). The 727 winglets look almost identical to the ones on the MD-11. I would guess they are grabbing up ex-UA 722As as they are some of the newer examples and UA has a good rep for maintainance. Still, it is too bad that a small, insignificant airline is the one flying the blue globe
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gamarocchi
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:55 am

N1120A: now it is a small insignificant airline. But in the future, who knows... I know we won't see the OLD Pan Am ever again, this was a real symbol of America all over the world which has gone away forever. Yet.... you never can tell what the future may bring. IF it is really true that they are taking more than 20 722s from UA, this definitely means they plan some major route expansion.
 
luv2fly
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:56 am

I remember reading something about the additional 727's as well, they were supposed to come from UA and part of the contract was they were only supposed to fly the Caribbean routes, per the contract? Not sure if I am remembering it correctly tho.
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N1120A
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Mon Dec 15, 2003 9:04 am

Well, UA's planes have hushkits so they should be able to fly them into most places. Perhaps UA does not want competition (why they think that would happen I don't know). I am betting PA wants to expand their charter network anyway and sees this as a good way to do it
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pilottim747
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Mon Dec 15, 2003 9:31 am

Pan Am does do some charter work. The first weekend in December we saw a Pan Am Boeing 727-200 (with winglets) up at GFK. Quite thrilling to have planes with this paint scheme still flying around. They flew a plane load of fans from the University of Northern Alabama up to Grand Forks to see their football team play the University of North Dakota in Division II semifinals.


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lymanm
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RE: Pan Am (not The Real One)

Mon Dec 15, 2003 9:40 am

Pan Am and Boston-Maine are owned by Gulliford Railway, which owns large amounts of VERY lucrative tracks in the Northeast. Their relatively insignificant airline operation is but a blip on their revenue sheet. Obviously they aren't terribly concerned about losses or profits, because there is no way of explaining their business plan.

From a pax point of view, very safe to invest in long-term tickets, and fares are generally very cheap. Plus you get classic aircraft: the 727 and the J-31 (if you sit in the first row, a great flight deck view as there is no door).
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