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What Means Pam Pam?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:39 am

Can anyone explain what the meaning is from pam pam?
as far as I understand, it is used by pilots declaring an emergency.


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RE: What Means Pam Pam?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:43 am

Its actually "Pan-pan". And that is correct, its an emergency declaration.

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RE: What Means Pam Pam?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:46 am

It's from the french word "Panne" (said the same as pan in English) meaning a mechanical breakdown.

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RE: What Means Pam Pam?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:52 am

It's from the french word "Panne"

"Panne" means "breakdown" in German, also in French?

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RE: What Means Pam Pam?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:56 am

Yes, also in French. I had never made the connection between "pan pan" and "panne," though. Interesting.
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RE: What Means Pam Pam?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:57 am

Basically, you have mayday, mayday - which basically means I have an emergency of the absolute highest nature, and I need to land yesterday.

Pan pan is basically I have an emergency of an important nature and I need to land as soon as possible, but not right this very second. (although the pilot wishes he could do so) Hope that clears it up a little.
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RE: What Means Pam Pam?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:59 am

If I am not mistaken, it is declaring an emergency not as severe as a "mayday," which implies imminent destruction. For example, if memory serves me right, "pan pan" was the distress call used by SR111 when the crew detected the cockpit fire. the aircraft ultimately went down later but I don't recall if they got off a "mayday" or not.
 
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RE: What Means Pam Pam?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:10 am

PAN PAN = urgent
MAY DAY = distress
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RE: What Means Pam Pam?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:13 am

SR111 sequence was as follows:


SWR111: 1:14:18.0 Swissair one eleven heavy is declaring Pan Pan Pan. We have uh smoke in the cockpit, uh request (deviate), immediate return uh to a convenient place, I guess uh Boston

SWR111: 1:24:45.1 Swissair one eleven heavy is declaring emergency
SWR111: 1:25:05.4 And we are declaring emergency now Swissair one eleven

SWR111: 1:25:49.3 (***)

http://aviation-safety.net/cvr/atc_sr111.shtml


So I take it that Emergency is more serious than "Pan" ... but then what's mayday (apart from a public holiday)?
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RE: What Means Pam Pam?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:20 am

I think those poor guys didn't know how serious the problem was...They tried to take time to dump fuel when they really needed to just get on the ground immediately, apparently they were working through a very long checklist per SR regulations and in hindsight should have just found a way to get on the ground...I believe the incident resulted in some changes in SR MD-11 emergency procedures....Anyway I brought this incident up because it was the first and only time I have actually heard of "pan" being used...
 
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RE: What Means Pam Pam?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:27 am

"Panne" means "breakdown" in German, also in French?

and also in Dutch, although we don't use it that much...
Let me guess, watched the disaster of Swissair 111 on the Dutch tv?

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RE: What Means Pam Pam?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:28 am

but then what's mayday

Mayday derives from the french "m'aidez" meaning "help me".
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RE: What Means Pam Pam?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:35 am

Slightly off topic, but Mayday is also derieved from French - m'aider (as in 'Venez m'aider!' - come and help me!)

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RE: What Means Pam Pam?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:05 am

So I take it that Emergency is more serious than "Pan" ... but then what's mayday

I think Pan and Mayday are normally broadcasts to any station that is listening. Once you have established contact after a Mayday you would then declare an emergency, and state the nature of the emergency.

The traditional final transmission is "Oh sh*t!"

 
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RE: What Means Pam Pam?

Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:13 am

Pan, Pan, Pan is notifying the Air Traffic Controller that there is an incident onboard the aircraft & might require an convenient airport.

May Day, May Day, May Day is an EMERGENCY & the pilot requires an airfield ASAP.
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RE: What Means Pam Pam?

Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:04 am

There are two classes of emergency message:
Distress : A condition of being threatened by serious and/or imminent danger and of requiring immediate assistance.

Urgency : A condition concerning the safety of an aircraft and other vehicle, or of some person on board or within sight, but which does not require immediate assistance.

A message will contain as many as possible of the following items :

MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY (for distress messages)

PAN PAN, PAN PAN, PAN PAN (for urgency messages)

AND

Name of the station addressed (time permitting)

Identification of the aircraft

Nature of the emergency

Intention of the person in command

Present position, level and heading

As much other information as time permits.

When a pilot has given certain items of information normally associated with an emergency message but has not prefixed the transmission with ‘MAYDAY’ or ‘PAN’, the controller is to ask the pilot if he wishes to declare an emergency. If the pilot declines to do so, the controller may, if he thinks it appropriate, carry out the necessary actions as if the pilot had declared an emergency. The term ‘fuel emergency’ has no status in the UK and controllers are not required to give priority to aircraft with a reported shortage of fuel unless an emergency is declared.

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