connector4you
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Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-700?

Sat Dec 13, 2003 5:59 am

On December 11 at Boeing Field - BFI, Tarom took delivery of its 4 th NG B737-700. The aircraft who bears the name of the biggest North-Eastern Romanian city of "IASI", is configured as 14 B 102 Y. Just last month Tarom took delivery of another B737-700 "Hunedoara"

On this occasion Boeing representatives made another tempting offer to Tarom for three additional B737-700 to be delivered in 2004 !!! It appears that negotiations already took place in Seattle and a decision is expected soon from Tarom (Romanian Government)

Still no official confirmation on Tarom's negotiation status with Airbus on four A318-100 !

Does anyone know what's really happening there ? Any photo of 'IASI" at BFI comming up soon on Airliners.n?


 
JU101
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-

Sun Dec 14, 2003 6:47 am

Glad that Tarom are getting more 737s. Are they by any chance withdrawing their 733s while the new planes are joining the fleet?

Second question: does Tarom own their 733s or are they leased?

Its a bit strange that Tarom configured the 737 for 116 seats, since usually those planes would be around 126. Any reason for this?
 
connector4you
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-700?

Sun Dec 14, 2003 4:56 pm


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B737-300 were acquired as follows: 2 - 1993, 3 - 1994, 4 – 1998
NG B737-700 deliveries 2 – 2001, 2 - 2003, 3 - 2004 ? 1 – 2005 ?
Airbus 318-100 deliveries 2 – 2005 ? 2 – 2006 ?

No word about replacing the 737-300. If I remember well all B737-300 are configured as B 14 Y 112. Reason for NG 737-700 with only B 14 Y 102 is probably a larger seat pitch in both classes and therefore increased comfort. All aircraft are owned by Tarom.


 
steph001
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-700?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 3:59 am

Glad to hear that Tarom increased the seat pitch in economy when other airlines decrease it Smile. Did someone fly recently with Tarom? How is their service now?
 
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-700?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 10:27 am

I flew Tarom a few months ago

CDG-OTP was good. Service from OTP-LHR was not that good. Flight attendants weren't really interested in their customers. A shame really.
 
connector4you
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-700?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 11:09 am

I flew in September New York - JFK to Timisoara - TSR. No welcoming and smiles on boarding but good decent service. Excellent food good entertainment, on-time performance (to the minute), discreet flight attendants presence in the cabin throughout the night. Very good service on my way back to JFK.(day time flight)

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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-

Tue Dec 16, 2003 3:07 am

By the way, I will be flying Tarom on FRA-OTP on Dec. 18th. Any chance to get a -700 on this route?
 
lxlgu
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-700?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 3:15 am

Flight shows 733 in the central reservation system
Flight is full-1 economy and 7 business available
RO 302 FRA BUH 18 DEC 1150/1510
Please post a trip report

Have a good trip!
Cheers!
Tony
 
steph001
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-

Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:53 pm

Lxlgu: I will post a trip report in mid January when I'll be back.

Regards
 
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-700?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:53 pm

I flew OTP-FCO and OTP-BRU-OTP in October :

Confortable seating - in Business Class they even have reall Business Class seats.

Food : Very decent and complete - they come for seconds on warm bread rolls

F/A : Not particuarly friendly

They were always on time and my partner who flew them on more occasions never complained. Our dog was flown here with tarom as well and they took really good care of it.

They are less expensive than LH...

Although I prefer to fly on airbusses, I think they should stick to the 737 family...
 
connector4you
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-700?

Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:23 pm

I think they gonna have both Boeing 737-700 and Airbus 318-100. Because of its restructuring plan - to become a regional operator - it's clearly now that Tarom is not gonna renew its A310 planes with A330 as planed ever since they first signed the A310 deal with Airbus back in 1992. As a direct result of this change in plans Tarom had no choice but to settle down somehow that initial agreement or else they would have been lost some US $ 600,000 in collaterals. So probably that's how they ended up "gracefully swallowing" the A318.

And yes from what we all have experienced lately it seems that Tarom have a "little" problem with their cabin crew training. From what I understand new retiring legislation - especially designed for aging Tarom crew - is on the pipe-line as we speak. Hopefully the new generation coming in soon would benefit of adequate training.




 
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-

Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:32 pm

Hope so too, Connector4you. What do you mean when you say that Tarom will remain only with the B737-700 and A318? Aren't they going to keep a plane (jet or turboprop) with 50 or 70 seats? I mean they have the ATR42, are they just going to give that up?
 
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-700?

Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:13 pm


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Nothing official yet about dumping the ATR 42-500 but the Romanian PM was mentioning something about a recent discussion with Brazilian Embraer regarding the possibility of leasing some ERJ-135. The PM thinks that the little Embraer aircraft could revive the whole Romanian domestic network. Is not clear if this particular deal is going to be signed on Tarom's behalf or some other private air-operator.



 
kingsford
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-700?

Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:22 pm

Connector4You, what are your sources ? I live in Romania and don't know all these things but am very interested to know where to find that kind of regular infos on Tarom you are feeding us.  Wink/being sarcastic

 
connector4you
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-700?

Thu Dec 18, 2003 5:54 pm

LOL . . . don’t get to hard on your self Kingsford, I use to live in Romania and for many years I had no clue as of what was going on !

To me it’s just a matter of gathering relevant info's from multiple online sources. Sure thing knowing the Romanian language its helpful too.

While ago Tarom wet leased a couple of ATR 42-500 to Egypt Air for about six months. So I think it would be fair to assume that Tarom finally realized that this type of aircraft (48 seat) couldn’t be profitably operated on Romanian domestic routes. Charging around US $120 for a domestic roundtrip Tarom’s load factor is probably very low. As a result they came up with another “INOVATION” starting flights from Bucharest to multiple Romanian destination using the same plane. Bucharest – Oradea – Baia Mare – Tirgu Mures – Bucharest is one that comes to mind. For the same very reason they pulled out entirely from other domestic airports: Arad, Bacau, Suceava, Sibiu, Constanta, etc.

Ironically Volareweb is charging much less than that on roundtrips between Bucharest Baneasa and Venice but is using an A320 all economy 180-seat aircraft !

Perhaps lowering its fares and getting larger aircraft (ATR 72 ?) on domestic routes is the right answer for Tarom.

The Embraer 135 won’t fit the domestic bill. It could be used as a feeder aircraft from small, distant markets (Amman, Beirut, etc) and/or connecting big European hubs (Heathrow, Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt) to Timisoara, Arad, Oradea.


 
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-700?

Thu Dec 18, 2003 7:12 pm

Connector4you-

ma gandesc ca inca (sau iar) Tarom zbura de la Bucuresti la Constanta...nu stiu concret, dar ai putea sa vezi la website-ul.
Ai inteles?

Cheers! airnondo
 
BA
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-700?

Thu Dec 18, 2003 11:54 pm

Connector4you,

Tarom already flies 3x weekly on 737-300s to Beirut and Amman.

It's a very popular route. It was just recently upgraded to 3x weekly, it used to be 2x weekly.

Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
connector4you
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-700?

Fri Dec 19, 2003 5:22 pm

Not quite Airnondo. Tarom's flight from Bucharest to Constanta - CDN is currently just a segment of an international flight : Bucharest - Constanta - Athens. So it doesn't take domestic pax between OTP and CDN. However if you are interested, Tarom runs a bus service between Bucharest and Constanta (about four hours trip) . Flying would normally take you just 20 -30 min.

BA: During the winter Tarom flies only twice weekly to Beirut. Nonetheless I think a 5 weekly direct non-stop service to Beirut (and not via Amman on its way back) with a 37 seat ERJ 135 could substantially improve the service on this route.

 
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-700?

Fri Dec 19, 2003 10:33 pm

Does TAROM still fly any 707 freighters? I was pleasantly suprised back in 99 to watch a 707-320C,land and taxi in at YIP(WillowRun), near DTW. It was on an automotive freight charter from FRA.
the rumble of round engines is like music to me,likewise the thunder of thr JT8D
 
BA
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-700?

Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:45 am

During the winter Tarom flies only twice weekly to Beirut.

Actually, it is 3 flights. I checked Tarom's schedule on their website, Beirut Airport's schedule, and Amadeus.

The route is actually non-stop from Beirut on both ends.

It operates Bucharest - Beirut - Amman - Beirut - Bucharest.

The route operates on Wednesdays, Fridays, & Saturdays.

I don't think you'll see ERJs in Beirut. The Middle East market isn't used to RJs like the west is.

Beirut and Amman currently recieve no RJs. The smallest plane in Beirut is a 737-600 from Malev.

Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
connector4you
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RE: Tarom To Take On Some Four More NG Boeing 737-700?

Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:18 am

You are perfectly right BA, Tarom is currently flying 3 weekly between Bucharest and Beirut using NG B737-700 (twice a week) and B737- 300 (once a week) on the route.

After stopping in Beirut two of these flights are continuing onto Amman and than back again to Beirut on their way to Bucharest.

These particular flights are operated with B737-700 and B737-300. Total seat capacity for the two weekly AMM bound flights (via BEY) 242. Assuming a 50 - 50 split, between passengers traveling to Beirut and Amman, and adding the Beirut bound only capacity ( B 737-700 : 116 seat) we have 237 weekly seats for Beirut.

Since Tarom doesn’t have ERJ-135 in its fleet this is just a hypothetical analysis: Dividing 237 weekly seats by 37 seat - the ERJ 135 seat capacity - you have approximately 7 days service between OTP and BEY using this type of aircraft. Of course this is based on an ideal 100% load factor. More likely 5 weekly service would be much closer to reality.

From what I know Tarom doesn’t hold Fifth Rights on BEY-AMM segment so basically they are flying an half empty B737 for just another 225 km into Amman and other 225 km back to Beirut. That means Tarom is incurring four B737 landing / take-off fees at BEY and two at AMM plus all associated extra fuel, handling, catering, ATC costs.

Doesn’t sound like efficient use of an aircraft designed to fly ranges of 4000 to 6000 km. The distance between Bucharest and Beirut is just 1,441 km ( 1,666 km to Amman)

In my opinion using an ERJ 135 designed to economically fly ranges of around 2400- 3150 km could improve Tarom’s profitability on the route. Spreading out the service to one daily would offer increased flexibility to passengers bound to various European / Middle East destination via Bucharest. By the same token Amman could also get its own direct, non-stop service.

Let's not forget Tarom is bound again to a US $20 Mil loss this year alone.

Cheers





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