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BBJ Fans - BBJ-"NG" Possibilities?

Sat Dec 13, 2003 9:50 am

Good day fellow BBJ enthusiasts!  Laugh out loud

I am one of the pathetic ones that is obsessed with the BBJ. Got the cap, the model and so on. Anyway, with the 737-900X proposal about to become a reality (hopefully), it got me to thinking the possible improvements that could be passed on to the BBJ. As well as a few other ideas. The -900X program is extending the range of the -900 around four hundred miles. With the -900X wing on the BBJ, it should increase the range of the BBJ accordingly. Also, the BBJ is nose heavy. Seems to me Boeing could design a fuel tank in the horizontal stabilizer a la the 747-400. I'm not sure what the capacity would be, but these two additional designs could extend the range of the BBJ to year round New York-Tokyo non-stops. Again, these are just ideas.

Now, if that were to become reality, I'd have to consider to purchase a BBJ"NG" and grant A-net members a 95% discount to fly it anywhere.  Big thumbs up
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CanadianNorth
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RE: BBJ Fans - BBJ-"NG" Possibilities?

Sat Dec 13, 2003 9:56 am

well sounds like it might work....


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RE: BBJ Fans - BBJ-"NG" Possibilities?

Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:47 am

Oh come on! Nobody else has some input?!?!

Bummer..................
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RE: BBJ Fans - BBJ-"NG" Possibilities?

Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:09 am

What sort of advantahed would the -900X have over a -900 with winglets and the supplemental fuel tanks? If anything, the extra emergency exits would only serve to increase weight and decrease range and efficiency. I personally see no point to this, especially when comparing the price to a nicely equipped second hand 757-200. After all, when you have that kind of money, why not go all out!

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RE: BBJ Fans - BBJ-"NG" Possibilities?

Sun Dec 14, 2003 3:41 am

The 739 is limited to a maximum capacity of 189 passengers. The extra doors behind the wing allows max capacity to grow to 204+ passengers and also eliminates the need for the overwing exits - eliminating some weight.

However, I was discussing how a -900X wing, with other improvements could increase the range of the BBJ. Not the -900X program itself.
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Airplanepics
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RE: BBJ Fans - BBJ-"NG" Possibilities?

Sun Dec 14, 2003 3:47 am

I was perofrming some work on N737ER (the record breaker) last week. It needed some extra fuel tanks, and its coming back next week for some more!

The interior is absoloutly amazing!!!!!! Everything is on these things. King size beds, two 3 foor plasma screens!!!!!!!! Once nice aircraft.


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Spacepope
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RE: BBJ Fans - BBJ-"NG" Possibilities?

Sun Dec 14, 2003 4:10 am

Care to elaborate on the differnce between the wing of the -900 and the -900X then? I doubt any BBJ operator needs even 189 seats, let alone 204, so I still say the extra exits are unneeded and detrimental to the performance of the plane.
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RE: BBJ Fans - BBJ-"NG" Possibilities?

Sun Dec 14, 2003 4:27 am

Spacepope,

No, no, no. You miss my point. Other programs have incorporated wings from other aircraft in the same lineup. I believe the 757-300 may have a wing initially designed for the 757 Freighter. In other words, the -900X wing would be mated with the fuselage of a -700. (today's BBJ"1" has a wing from the -800 mated to the fuselage of the -700.) This would allow an increase in MTOW. In turn, could carry more fuel = more range.

Basically improving the current BBJ's max range which is now 6,200 nm, to whatever the improvements would accomplish. Say, 6,700 nm. I hope you understand what I mean now.

Oh, and to answer the question, the -900X wing would be reinforced to be stronger than the standard -900 wing. Allowing more weight to be carried.

Regards

[Edited 2003-12-13 20:29:04]
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Jj
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RE: BBJ Fans - BBJ-"NG" Possibilities?

Sun Dec 14, 2003 4:55 am

I think it might work quite good, especially with the additional h s tanks. I would buy one, if i had the money....  Smile

On a side note, does anybody have a picture or a drawinf of how would the -900X look like? With the additional exit?
 
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RE: BBJ Fans - BBJ-"NG" Possibilities?

Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:44 am

It has always been my understanding that a lot of the technology that came out of the BBJ and BBJ2 programs helped drive the changes that became the 737NG.
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RE: BBJ Fans - BBJ-"NG" Possibilities?

Sun Dec 14, 2003 6:35 am

EMBQA,

Nope, the BBJ/BBJ2 are based on the 737NG. Boeing and GE teamed up to offer the BBJs in 1996, while the 737NG has been offered since 1993. It is true that some of the changes made for the BBJ have been applied to the other 737NGs, like the winglets, but all of the technology was already there when the BBJs became available.
 
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RE: BBJ Fans - BBJ-"NG" Possibilities?

Sun Dec 14, 2003 7:13 am

what would be the longest nautical mile range on a BBJ???

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