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10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:28 am

In a concurrent thread about BNA and its ability to land another international flight, a discussion about BA possibly pulling its service to TPA is taking place. I guess post-9/11, their future at TPA was questioned, but apparently they are doing better with this route and will be sending in 777s with a larger business class and potentially increasing the frequency from 5x a week to daily.

I was surprised to hear that for a long time, BA was using 777s with 10-across seating in coach. I didn't think that was possible! I can't imagine how uncomfortable that must be, especially for such a long flight! Does anyone know which other routes they are subjecting their coach passengers to cattle car conditions? Are any other airlines doing this?
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:33 am

Fly emirates: 10 across on the 777's.
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:44 am

Lauda also has parts of their 777s economy configured 3-4-3 (the rear half), the front half has 9 seats across (3-3-3 config).

Here's the seatmap:

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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:47 am

Given the choice;

British Airways
9 abreast/31" pitch

or

Emirates
10 abreast/34" pitch

I'd take Emirates anyday. For most people the extra 3" for your legs is worth more than the loss in seat width...

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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:50 am

And I'll take the AA 777. 9 across and 34" pitch.  Big grin
 
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 3:23 am

AA's got my vote on that, it's truly appalling to think that some airlines choose to configure their 777's with 10 a breast seating.

The 777 is at least a couple of feet narrower than a 747 and these are nearly always 10 across in coach.

 
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 3:32 am

Does British Airways still fly any 772s in a 3-4-3 configuration and if so, to what destinations? They were for the Caribbean, correct?

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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 3:36 am

My sister-in-law told me once that she was on a flight JFK-FRA on LH that was 11 across. I asked her it could have been ten, but she swears it was 11. The only plane I can think of that could even remotely fit 11 across in LH's fleet would be a 744. I still think she might have miscounted (I am sure it might be easy to do in a packed 744). Has anyone heard of such a configuration?
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 3:46 am

TLHFLA, I'm no expert on past configurations, but I've never heard of an 11 abreast seating. Some planes will have expanded configurations (767 2-4-2, 777 3-4-3, A330 3-3-3) but I've never heard of a 747 having one. It's probably the only plane that could possibly do that, so I think your sister-in-law might have just miscounted.

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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:25 am

Expect 3-5-3 on some high density A380 configurations.

Rumor has it QF is planning on that from the get-go.

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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:26 am

I have flown Emirates A330 and 777 last October, and I found the 777 far more comfortable due to the slightly better legroom !

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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:49 am

I flew yesterday on one of AA B777's from LHR-JFK and the 34" seat pitch is quite comfortable. I have also flown on NZ and the 34" pitch makes a great difference for long flights.

To tell the truth, the more room throughout coach (MRTC), some cheap fares and convenient schedules have made me fly AA more often... the cabin of their B777's is superior to other airlines.
 
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:30 am

BA no longer operate any 777's in the high density configuration of 3-4-3 in World Traveller. There were only 3 in the fleet, G-VIIO, G-VIIP & G-VIIR, which were operated from LGW to:

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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:39 am

TLHFLA, your sister-in-law definitely miscounted.
There (fortunately) never was a plane in LH´s fleet that had a 11 abreast seating configuration. I guess she counted five seats in the middle row instead of four on a B747. Or maybe she was on a DC-10 first, which has five seats in the middle, and on a 747 afterwards and mixed things up a little.  Smile

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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:03 am

Leskova,

just a side note: Lauda operates one of the 777s (OE-LPC) with 3-4-3 in all sections, though a little bigger pitch. There is no seatplan neither on their website nor in the printed timetable.

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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:09 am

3-4-3 in a 777 sounds pretty hideous, unless it's full of people who have no upper body development. It'd be like doing longhaul in a CRJ!

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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:17 am

I remember flying on a 744 with LH that was 11 across too. I was in the middle seat. Granted I was a short 13 year old but still. It always pissed me off when my parents would get their seats at the counter instead of calling in. It is window or nothing for me. Quite frankley, all coach seats are too narrow for my shoulders, though since I have a small waist, I usually find a way to contort my body into the seat. However, I am now much taller and love to get exit row, or an unexpected upgrade to C (Thank you SR just before the switch to LX)
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:30 am

If you want to fly REAL CATTLE CLASS try a British charter airline like Monarch, JMC or MyTravel on there A330-200s.

As if a charter airlines legroom is not bad enough on a nine hour flight - a whole 28 inches. They manage to operate them with 9 across as opposed to 8 across on.

I have flown a couple of years back Manchester-Sanford Orlando with MyTravel and was the most uncomfortable flights I have taken. I am not overweight or tall but the seating is a complete joke and so cramped together.

I cant complain about the service we had seat back TV's, food was OK and cabin crew very friendly and I like the idea of the toilets below the main cabin in the hold area down a flight of steps.
 
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:44 am

N1120A, as others have stated, LH has never operated aircraft with 11 seats across... I'll admit that their Economy Class does not, not even by a long shot, qualify as being even in the area of the most comfortable Economy Classes out there (or even close to anything comfortable at all) - but 11 across is too much even for them.

Gilesdavies, I know the feeling from SAA's A300s, which they - at least for the last few years (at least 1994 onwards) operated in a 3-3-3 config... quite awful - fortunately, CPT-JNB only lasts about two hours...

KA, really? I had never heard of that "all 3-4-3"-777... but as long as they've increased the pitch, I guess it's probably survivable... I never figured out why they actually have that split system of one part 3-3-3 and one part 3-4-3: do you know what that's about? Do they put pax on higher fares up front, while those on lower fares are put in back?


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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 11:20 am

I recently flew Lauda on VIE-KUL-SYD in a 3-4-3 772 setup. To tell you the truth it wasnt all that different compared to being in another one of their 772's with 3-3-3 setup or a BA 772 with 3-3-3 setup. A long flight is a long flight, the only real difference it made was that the cabin in general was a lot more crowded and as it was a full flight being surrounded by that many people for 20 hours in a small space was bit like a zoo. However this aircraft of Laudas did have large PTV's, larger than on their other planes.
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 11:37 am

Thai Airways International operates theirs in 10-abreast seating too! Very narrow aisle bearing capable of letting the catering cart go by . . . so watch your shoulder, your elbow and your ear nearer the aisle.

I have travelled several times on these and now avoid them wherever possible. During my flights on TG's B777, I have seen collisions between catering cart and body parts . . . almost always accompanied by "Sorry Sir!!".

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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:59 pm

Speaking of 777s, what the hell is up with some of these airlines going 2-3-2 in Business class?

I flew AF awhile ago in Business, and was appalled to see a middle seat there. For that kind of money, shouldn't they all have either an aisle or window? I see that the above seat map has 3 across in the center too.

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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 1:23 pm

what the hell is up with some of these airlines going 2-3-2 in Business class?

SQ, AF, BA (even more), AA, etc... they all do it. What's the big shock?
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 1:33 pm

on BA you get 2-4-2 in club world on 777s and 747s, but both of the middle seats have an exit way so that it is equivalent to having an aisle seat.

still i cant stand the new club world
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 1:44 pm

Try being 6'3" and over 200 pounds. I have to purchase a business or first ticket just to survive a long haul. Maybe this is some form of discrimimation, but the more cramped, the longer the flight, and nothing to eat - I guess this defines the term "cattle car." As long as people look at the bottom line (both airline management and passengers), those of us who are somewhat larger than the general population suffer. Ever had a major leg cramp at 35,000? It ain't fun! But then again, who cares? Sad commentary on man's respect and regard for all types of humanity. I guess if you're big, you just have to have more money to travel. And don't even think about telling me to go on a diet! Some people have health problems which are a great part of life. We larger people have a life, too.
 
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:02 pm

Try being 6'3" and over 200 pounds

Pfft. I'm 6'7" and 255 lbs. I have made several long trips in coach. Helps if you have an exit row, but it's bearable so long as the seat pitch is at least 31".

If you're suffering so many leg cramps, might I suggest exercise and stretching?
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:14 pm

Sorry for going off-topic guys,

Jmc777,

Long time no speak! Could you please email me? I guess you still have my address?

TIA

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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:42 pm

Its the same deal with DC-10's...normal is 9 across but the charters cram in 10 across...

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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:13 pm

What I've experienced (all coach):
CO DC-10: 9 across, 2-5-2
UA 772: 9 across, 2-5-2
UA 744: 10 across, 3-4-3
 
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:34 pm

TG puts 10 seats across in 772s. Seats are wide but aisles seats paxs. Watch out!! But soon, it will be 3-3-3 in coach and 2-2-2 in Business class, shell seats (JAL's).

EK is find with 10 seats in all their 777s. Seat pitch is huge!!

I think Cathay used to have 10 in 772 too. But they reconfigured the aircrafts to 3-3-3 already.
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:41 pm

Leskova,
no idea why they did it. Just can tell you that all the seat are the same in the 3-3-3 and 3-4-3 section. And allocation of pax is not different.
And it is right that what Thestooges said that the LPC has really huge PTVs and also a different type of seat.

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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:41 pm

Hi Nethkt,

Cathay used to have 2-5-2 in their 777-200s and with no PTVs. But now all the 772s have been changed to 3-3-3 and PTV's were installed.
 
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 9:01 pm

Flying BAs 772s in coach last month, the 3-3-3 arrangement was barely comfortable as far as width for me (average build, just shy of 200 lbs.). I had no problems with the legroom. At least with 9 across, I could put my arms at my side and not risk smacking somebody else's arm while sleeping. 10 across in a 777 is pushing it, bigtime and I don't think I would want to fly it.
 
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 10:58 pm

try britannia 767 8 abreast
 
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:06 am

I flew on an EK 773 with the 10 abreast config last year. And trust me it was uncomfortable (and I am not even big). It may be ok for short hops assuming you originate and terminate on the legs that are being operated by the particular aircraft. But if that leg is a part of a longer trip, you start feeling it. I had just gotten off a transatlantic hop before getting on the EK 773. Starting off tired to begin with, it wasn't long before I started feeling the lack of space on the 773. The seat back PTV's were nice though.


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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:14 am

A few years ago I flew EK from MEL-NCE and CDG-MEL, MEL-DXB-MEL was on the 773 and 772. 3-4-4, didn't feel uncomfortable at all, still prefered the A330 we were flying onto France and back but with PTV's, great service and a great pitch, I still would like to enjoy and fly EK again.
 
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:20 am

"Speaking of 777s, what the hell is up with some of these airlines going 2-3-2 in Business class?"

Despite what Airbus tells you, there are plenty of airlines that operate Airbus widebodies with 2-3-2 business class configuration as well.
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RE: 10 Across In Coach Class On A 777?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:30 am

As far as business class seats go, Continental's 767s are da bomb: 2-1-2. The middle seat feels like you're sitting in a room all by yourself, with aisle on both sides.