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Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:11 pm

DL Will soon be moving to the Midfield Terminal at DTW. Not yet sure if they will occupy the B/C gates or A concourse. Early word was that they would take the upper A concourse, A1-A8, or somewhere in there. More of a move on the US side of SkyTeam.
 
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:24 pm

Do you know when exactly??? i assume not till after the holiday season

I am flying DL SAV-ATL-DTW next Sat (12/20) and DTW-CVG-ATL-SAV on New Years Day....Itd be nice not to have to depart from "the ghetto terminal" Plus the Rose Bowl will be on as i depart and i could watch the tvs in the midfield if they are located there at that point  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:39 pm

Can't see it happening....smells like ramp talk to me.
 
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:52 pm

I'd be surprised if NW gave up any of the "A" gates, even though they don't need all of them... now that the ARJ are likely headed out of here, I bet DL/CO will share all of "B," which was the plan to begin w/...
 
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Mon Dec 15, 2003 1:06 pm

Does DL even need 8 gates at DTW?
 
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Mon Dec 15, 2003 1:40 pm

No, this move is still at least a month or two away. It won't happen until NW and DL start codesharing on flights out of DTW. I wouldn't look for to happen until at least Feb/March. As for DL moving to A, rather unlikely as they need gates that can accomdate a CRJ. I know that gates on B are capable of handling CRJ's, along with the regional C concourse, but I am not certain about A concourse. I know A has been used for ARJ's but I don't know if the CRJ's lower far enough for CRJ's.

I'm not totally certain what aircraft DL is using into DTW these days. They used to run a bunch of 757's and 767's but I don't think they make an appearance anymore. I thought the largest aircraft the B gates were designed to handle was an A319/A320, but CO parks a 757 there on occasion. As for the A gates, the inner alley gates can only handle aircraft up to the A319. DL would need to use some gates on the outer side if they wish to fly in 757's or 767's. However, if DL uses A, they might not get perminant gates, they made just be able to use on an "as needed basis" like what LH does with their gate. I'd say its more likely for DL and CO to share out on B and one or two gates on the C lobby to handle their CRJ/ERJ's.
 
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:10 pm

I think I saw in the schedule that one of the 8 flights to ATL is a 757 right now, and the rest are on the MD-88. Then of course CVG is all CR4/CR7 and DFW is CRJ-200. Then there are the 2 733s to SLC...so I think 2-3 gates on the B section and a C lobby gate would work well for DL. Same deal for CO.

Think that B concourse will ever be expanded...it seems kinda just out in the boonies...
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:20 pm

B is supposed to be expanded and C is supposed to be rebuilt, but plans were put on hold indefinetely. Its not out in the boonies, its there to allow aircraft to be able to pass each other between the A & B concourse. B & C both have ample room to be expanded, if and when cecessary.
 
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Mon Dec 15, 2003 3:57 pm

In June I flew SFO-DTW-YQB and return on NW. The DTW-YQB segments were on a Pinnacle CRJ-200. Since YQB does not have US customs pre-clearance, on our return flight the CRJ parked at an A concourse gate. We did not use a jetway, instead went out onto the ramp, into a small corridor that lead to an elevator which took us down to the customs hall. So I would guess that the A concourse jetways do not reach low enough for a CRJ.

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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:01 pm

Airdude66:

Nope it is not ramp chatter. Richard Anderson CEO of NWA has come out and said that is one of the things to better serve all code share partners in 2004. That DL will be in the new World Gateway Terminal in DTW. Have not heard anything about what gates.

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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:12 pm

Demolition of B/C gates

We heard in DTW for months that the plan was to demolish the B/C gates since it had already been outgrown (hard to believe). I havent heard anything else for quite awhile. Hopefully it isnt true. That tunnel between A and B/C is beautiful. The LED light display is 1000000 times better than the ORD display in Terminal 1 between B and C. Had the DTW display been constructed of neon, instead of high intensity LEDS, I believe that the DTW tunnel would have replaced UAs ORD display as the newest 'worlds largest display of neon'....kewl if you ask me
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Mon Dec 15, 2003 10:29 pm

There was an article in the Freep last week about a bond issue directly relating to the expansion of the B & C concourses as well as the planned reconstruction of the Davey Terminal. So things are moving along.

I thought BA was to move as well. If you look at some of the international gates, the BA logo is already etched in.

I think Royal Jordanian should move there as well, it would be really cool to see the LH, BA, Jordanian (and maybe KLM someday again) parked over there.
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Mon Dec 15, 2003 11:08 pm

What is to be done to the C concourse...why can't it just be expanded as opposed to demolished and rebuilt...
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:03 am

The design of C is very poor. I flew out of there last month and people just line up and sit on the floor to wait for the plane if you want to wait by the gate. If you don't want to sit on the floor you have to wait in the main area of the concourse, which is not near most gates. Also, the gates themselves do not have displays for which flight is leaving from there, you have to check in the main waiting area before you go down to the gate. It is also just very cramped. It was a decent design concept, but for the size of the operation there just is not room in there, for so many planes or people.
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:20 am

I think when Concourse C was designed it was before Pinnacle started serving DTW. At that time it was supposed to just be Mesaba Saab 340s at those gates while the ARJs would park at the gates at B. Pinnacle's CRJs weren't factored in, infact Pinnacle hadn't even ordered the CRJ yet while the terminal was being built. I didn't see the CRJs until April 01 at DTW.
 
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:24 am

Ok i certainly agree with that. Having flown from the C mini-concourse gates after Thanksgiving I felt it weird that there were no displays (not even just a plain sign) at each gate. Plus no restrooms. And there were no announcements for my flight to Savannah; the only way i knew it was time to board was that the flight ops board in the C lobby said my flight was 'boarding' and the gate agent down at the gate just said to the group of people waiting "come on for savannah, i'm not going to make an announcement."

I think what NW should do is make a more bright and airy concourse like the "D" concourse in CLE. For those of you not familiar with CLE their D concourse is used for Continental Express and it has gates for the Embraear jets and then on the other side of the concourse there are three or four boarding halls for use with the turboprops used by Continental Connection. NW could do something similar; have the CRJs on one side and then a few fingers on the other side for use with the Saabs...most of the time the ARJ jets use an A or B gate anyhow. what does everyone think?
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:48 am

B is supposed to stay, the expansion called for an additional 9 gates or so for the time being.

Yes, C was designed just before the RJ boom. It was designed well in theory for the time, (late 90's) but they neglected to take into account the significance of the regional airlines. It all costs money, and right now there is a lack thereof. C wil rebuilt in a two-story manner with individual gate areas similar to a normal concourse. It will happen, its just a matter of when. In my opinion, C works for the time being, but the stupid people (a majority of passengers these days) can't figure it out. I agree the lack of gate signage is a major issue. I'm surprised they don't even use little placards or something. However, they have already outgrown the C facility as seen by CRJ's having to use B. Either way its still better than the old Golfcourse and shuttle buses.
 
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:49 am

It seems when things pick up and the Smith/Davey terminals start renovation, the B/C concourse of the Midfield terminal will see a new look.
I honestly have heard from many gate supervisors and ramp staff that Delta will take the "ballroom" area of the A concourse. (A1-A6,/8). It would be difficult for them to take the B concourse as they frequently use a 757 and on occasion the 767. CO Does park a 757 from IAH in the summertime at the B concourse but not without straining and parking it on a diagonal. Of course as things go with aviation, until one sees it happening, all plans are soft.
 
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:51 am

I have to agree with all the negative about the C concourse. I flew the new 330 home from Germany last week. It was a beautiful airplane arriving at a truly modern terminal.

I then connected to my Mesaba flight at gate C25. It was awful. After spending 9 hours playing with the IFE of the 330, I found myself sitting on the floor at C25. The only place with seats is in the main waiting area and it's a good walk from there to C25. No restrooms, no concessions and no flight information anywhere in the concourse.

I hope they plan on some changes for that section. I was extremely disappointed it.
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:20 am

I have to disagree with DTW757 the C concourse is good for a regional operations concourse. Sounds like you wandered to the gate, where there are no chairs (that is what the waiting area is for with the concessions and other amenities). You should only go down the hall to the door when boarding.

The operating economics of regional a/c operations can't put restrooms, info boards, and concessions near every gate, but those amenities are in the waiting area.
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:26 am

Well that may be true but they have it in CLE and other regional jet hubs in the US...so why not at DTW where the rest of the hub facility is absolutely world class...Put a facility like the CoEX "D" concourse in the place of our current "C" finger and there you have it; world class...doesn't have to be as flashy as the mile-long "A" concourse, just wider, open, well-signed, and airy. And room for growth.
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Tue Dec 16, 2003 3:12 am

You have a point about CLE. But, I think CLE has too much walking. I feel like I am in a mall on the wrong side of town that no one goes shopping in any more, not to mention a bunch of disgruntled CLE-based elites who get no perk other than enter on the left side instead of the right to the gate.  Smile

I have no problem with DTW's new C concourse, flown there many times.
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:15 am

I do not have a problem with C concourse either, it just doesn't seem as consistent with the rest of WorldGateway and reminds me more of the old operation. It's not horrible, however there is much room for improvement with how things flow in that part of the airport. In the main waiting area things seem more hectic and harder to keep track of. Some people just like to be safer and wait closer to the gate instead of joining in a rush to get down there when boarding is announced. This is especially hard when the gate is in the higher numbers, like C22-C25 area. It just feels like a cramped hallway.
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:41 am

AZO: I consistently agree with your thinking, and have clicked you up as one of my Respected Users. Not just by geography  Smile
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:08 am

Back when C first opened in Feb 2002, operations in the gate area where different than they are now. Then, all passengers stayed in the waiting area until their flight was called to a specific door next to the passenger service counters. Then passengers had the boarding passes checked (and ID's back then too) and where semi-escorted down to their departure gate and them promptly loaded on the aircraft. This presented numerous problems as people got confused, presenting staffing nightmares, and also was difficult for passengers who were connecting within the C concourse from one Airlink flight to another.

This didn't last too long when they did away with the door system and let people have free roam of C and wait there as long as they'd like. They tell you to stay in the waiting area until 30 minutes prior to departure, and then head down to the aircraft. There is no need to wait for an hour and the departure gate, they only start boarding 20 minutes prior to departure. Usually they make an announcement for each flight to head down to the gate, but often there are so many announcements to listen to and they sometimes forget. If you just pay attention to the time yourself, you should have no problem.

Obviously one of the problems is the gate information. Gate changes occur very frequently and once you pass the monitors at the entrance of the corridor, there is nothing the rest of the way down.

B4real,
You do bring up a good point. It just isn't cost effective to build such an elaborate facility for regional aircraft. The passenger count isn't there like mainline. Think about it, for a A320 you have 150 pax per aircraft, for an RJ you have maybe 50. You don't need to have as many restrooms, stores, and restaurants, as the demand isn't there. It comes down to a cost per square foot factor I suppose.

I don't mind standing around, especially after just getting off a flight on a cramped CRJ.....to get some feeling back inside my legs after sitting next to 300 lbs landmonster named Betty from Wisconsin.....
 
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RE: Delta To Midfield Soon In DTW

Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:41 am

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I agree. In fact, now, before I board any flight. I just stand. I stand by the TV, I stand in the waiting area. The last thing I want to do is sit.

But yes, the Regional Operations need to be more like that at DTW. Take CVG's newly renovated concourse C. It is nice, but CVG has a lot more RJ operations (some in A concourse for DL as well) but it is a little crowded in the four 'corners'.

DTW offers so much more mainline flights, that I think in a few years, DTW McNamara terminal will NOT have enough gates for regional aircraft operations - especially once the DC-9s go away (please someone no new thread on that).

In summary, NW, CO, KL, and DL in the new terminal is good. I just think that eventually the B and C gates will be made up of NW, DL, and CO regional operations there @ DTW.

But, we still need to demolish the old Barry terminal and rebuild it.
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