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Kenya Airways To Start Detroit

Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:47 pm

From : www.justplanes.com

Is planning to initiate service from Nairobi to Detroit in June 04.

This will be possible after the delivery of the airline's new Boeing 777, the first one scheduled to arrive in Apr04. A 2nd Boeing 777 will be used on the Nairobi to Amsterdam route.

**Does this mean that MIAMI is no longer gonna be their 1st American destination. I guess the biggest benefactor here would be NWA giving them excellent access alongwith CO to sub saharan Africa.
 
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RE: Kenya Airways To Start Detroit

Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:56 pm

Detroit would make sense being as it is home of NWA one of the strongest players for SkyTeam!
 
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RE: Kenya Airways To Start Detroit

Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:16 pm

The only surprise is that KQ didn't choose NYC as its first USA gateway. KQ, NW and KL are partners (the latter owns a fourth of the company) and via codeshares, KQ can offer single-connection service to most of the USA via NW's largest hub. MIA was always a long-shot, as lobbyist groups would've provided subsidies (in the form of aircraft lease payments) to KQ while demanding that KL drops its stake in the airline. IMO, that wasn't going to happen...
 
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RE: Kenya Airways To Start Detroit

Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:26 pm

**Does this mean that MIAMI is no longer gonna be their 1st American destination. I guess the biggest benefactor here would be NWA giving them excellent access alongwith CO to sub saharan Africa.

Well, if they go ahead with plans for DTW-NBO (so far, the only source for the info is the acting sales manager of Kenya Airways in Malawi, who was quoted in the English-language Malawi newspaper, The Nation), yes, it does. DTW makes a lot more sense connection-wise. I would not rule out them considering Miami in the future, because it still offers a lot in terms of passenger traffic and, more importantly, cargo.
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Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:30 pm

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RE: Kenya Airways To Start Detroit

Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:40 pm

Will this flight be non-stop in both directions??? According to the GCM its 7805 miles/6782 nm but since its east/west won't winds be a factor heading west?

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RE: Kenya Airways To Start Detroit

Mon Dec 15, 2003 10:55 pm

Maybe they'll stop in NYC or MIA to pick up passengers, even w/o 5th Freedom rights?
 
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RE: Kenya Airways To Start Detroit

Mon Dec 15, 2003 11:08 pm

My advice to the folks in DTW, don't get your hopes up too high, this early on based on an 'acting' sales manager published in a newspaper . Houston over the years has been the victim of many of these official press releases, articles and inside sources stating that IAH was to get EK, PK, AI, SQ (cargo) MS, well the list goes on. My motto is unless you see it sitting at your airport's gates, treat these rumors with a healthy dose of skepticism.

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RE: Kenya Airways To Start Detroit

Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:23 am

Seems a bit strange that this would be announced by an acting sales manager in a country that KQ doesn't even fly to currently, although this could be correct. Also, KQ will get their first 777 in May04, not Apr04 but would still be ready for service by June.

That would be quite a long nonstop flight and they may face problems with weight restrictions on the westbound leg. Perhaps a NBO-AMS-DTW would make more sense ?

Let's see what happens.

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RE: Kenya Airways To Start Detroit

Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:23 am

If the goal is to maximize domestic connections, then EWR might make more sense than DTW. A nonstop to DTW would cut off the major cities of the east coast, since I can't imagine many people would want to backtrack all the way to Detroit on their way to Kenya...
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RE: Kenya Airways To Start Detroit

Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:17 am

For a flight of that length DTW-NBO, I'm sure a short hop from the east coast to DTW would be a huge problem for too many people.
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RE: Kenya Airways To Start Detroit

Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:21 am

Anyone who has gone through customs in the new World Gateway Terminal in DTW must admit. I would back track. Easy Easy Easy.


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RE: Kenya Airways To Start Detroit

Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:27 am

Actually, it would be quite circuitous to travel from the East Coast to Kenya via Detroit, as compared to existing routings:

NYC-DTW-NBO - 8300 miles
NYC-AMS-NBO - 7789 miles

Even from the West Coast, there would be no improvement over flying via Europe:

LAX-DTW-NBO - 9783 miles
LAX-AMS-NBO - 9718 miles

So, except for DTW O&D traffic, and various smaller cities in the Midwest, I'm not sure who would really benefit from a DTW-NBO nonstop.
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RE: Kenya Airways To Start Detroit

Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:45 am

Since NYC itself would generate a sizeable portion of any USA-Kenya market, I can't NYC'ers wanting to backtrack to DTW to fly to NBO.

I agree that NBO-EWR or JFK makes more sense.

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RE: Kenya Airways To Start Detroit

Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:48 am

FoxBravo:

You would not believe how many connections are on the AMS flight for Africa. I think it would be great for the Alliance and much more convient for the customer.

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RE: Kenya Airways To Start Detroit

Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:57 am

DTW-NBO is total fiction. It is going to be a codeshare with NW. KQ will not be flying their own aircraft to USA just yet. I've been told by reliable sources within KQ that if they were ever to start, which is highly unlikely, the only city they would ever consider would be NYC. The source of the Malawi article is likely to soon be the ex-acting manager of KQ.
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RE: Kenya Airways To Start Detroit

Tue Dec 16, 2003 3:06 am

The route seems feasible. Detroit has a large African population although I think I agree with the others when they're saying that they also want to get connecting traffic with NW's massive hub.

It'll be interesting to see what materializes.

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RE: Kenya Airways To Start Detroit

Tue Dec 16, 2003 3:16 am

This post is silly speculation on an erroneous report. The "acting" sales manager in Malawi has obviously not been on the job very long, and has not been brought up to speed with the concept of code-shares. KQ has absolutely no plans to fly to DTW with its own equipment. The B777 aircraft will be used on London and Amsterdam routes to boost badly needed capacity. If they ever decide to come to the USA (which would really be a mistake) it would be NYC.
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RE: Kenya Airways To Start Detroit

Tue Dec 16, 2003 3:25 am

As for the "backtracking" through DTW to NYC issue... Contrary to popular belief held by some, the U.S. does not begin and end at the eastern seaboard BOS-NYC-WAS corridor. DTW, through KQ's codeshare opportunities with NW would "just happen" to open virtually every major market in the western 75% of the U.S.# on a one-stop basis (via connection) from NBO (southern Africa markets would also be connected through NBO). O & D traffic at DTW would probably be a small part of the picture for KQ if the route becomes a real deal. In the meantime, the BOS-NYC-WAS corridor (plus MIA) remains a one-stop service from NBO for KQ by way of KL/NW codeshare connections at AMS -- no need to backtrack!

So yes, DTW would make plenty of sense for KQ as its first (perhaps only) U.S. destination. Those who cling to the myth that the U.S. begins and ends with the metro malaise known as the BOS-NYC-WAS corridor would just have to live with KQ's "ill-advised" decision of "forcing" pax bound for these destinations to "backtrack" through DTW.

Whether NBO-DTW could be consistently flown non-stop westbound by 777-200ER/IGW equipment is a valid issue to consider.

# included in the western 75% of the U.S. are "no place" markets served non-stop from DTW by NW (hence KQ*) are: LAX, SNA, SFO, SJC, SAN, SEA, PDX, DEN, PHX, DFW, IAH, MCI, ORD, IND, MSP, amongst others.