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Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 11:43 pm

I read the following from Justplane's web site:
Will soon be shopping for a replacement aircraft for its fleet of 29 Airbus A300s which the airline would like to replace between 2008 and 2010. Emirates is talking to Boeing about its 7E7 and may be interested in becoming one of the launch customers.
No doubt a typo; I'm sure it meant A330s.

Still its incredible that Emirates is already contemplating replacing the A330 at such an early stage even though of their A330 fleet is brand new.

Anybody have thoughts?
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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Mon Dec 15, 2003 11:46 pm

Nonsense. The A330s are a great fit for the airline and compliment the heavier 777s perfectly. If anything, I'd expect them to add more. And yes I know EK like a young fleet but even by SQ standards the A330s aren't due for replacement for ages.
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Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:12 am

I doubt the news is true , the A330 is a magnificent plane and just ike Cedarjet says the plane compliements the 777 perfectly.
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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:06 am

From experience the A330 fleet which Emirates is very fond of .. will not be retired nor sold anytime in the near future. The aircraft type is a wonderful fit for markets such as Munich, Dusseldorf, Colombo, and Mahe!

The passengers are very comfortable on the A330, complaints are near null when it comes to the comfort levels offered by the A330 and Emirates. Emirates, with its Worldy service affords no interuption in service quality be it a A330 or a 777. With the onslaught of A380's (43 or so), expect Emirates to eye Airbus for years to come!


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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:12 am

I don't know what planet you naysayers are from, but there has been rumblings in the aviation press of 7E7 replacing A332 at Emirates. Whether you folks want to believe it or not is another matter.
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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:23 am

Perhaps YES!.... Perhaps NO!

The decision is up to the board at Emirates and more so... Perhaps, it is something in the press to give Boeing a bit of press coverage... Heaven knows they need it!



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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:31 am

I would think they would be interested in replacing their Airbus 310-300s before the A330s.

Does anyone know how many A310-300's Emirates has and how old they are?

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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:33 am

EmiratesA345,

If one is not mistaken, isnt the A310 fleet being replaced with the A330?



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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:33 am

There are two A310's and the only reason they are around is to fly the Peshawar flights. Otherwise they would not have them anymore. Something to do with getting any bigger planes into the airport.
 
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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 5:08 am

Don't know if those rumors are true or not. But if the 7E7 is ever built, I see no reason why EK wouldn't look at it, to replace its oldest A330s. The date given in the post is between 2008 and 10, in 5 to 7 years from now. According to EK standards, it is probably a realistic date.

My only concern is that is is the arrival time of most of the A380s. Will they have the ressources to pay for this new aircraft AND change relatively young planes at the same time?

Time will tell (And EK....)
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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:26 am

It's not at all hard to believe that story. SQ traded in a few of their A340's for some new 777's a few years ago. Some of the Airbus's have some corrosion issues. Also, these state run/supported carriers are always spending huge amounts of money on aircraft they can't use. They want these big, elaborate planes/fleets to flex their muscles against US and some European airlines. The A380 is going to go on the second-hand market very fast. There will be no need for a plane that size in that many numbers for the region. The A380 will probably hang around in Asia for awhile, but eventually will be dumped by those carriers as well. The best bet for Airbus is the A340-500/600. Airbus should concentrate on smaller longer-range widebodies to be competitive. The 747 is dying off because airlines want fuel-efficient aircraft that they know they can afford to operate. That's a lesson most of the US carriers learned these past few years.
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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:31 am

I don't know what planet you naysayers are from, but there has been rumblings in the aviation press of 7E7 replacing A332 at Emirates. Whether you folks want to believe it or not is another matter.

Shit, I heard this too.. My mate who went on the Boeing factory tour told me, he said Emirates were going to buy the new Boeing because it was better than the old Airbus.

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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:41 am

I wouldn't be surprised if this happens given the fact that EK is so into having and extremely modern fleet.

The A330 is a truly new plane, but remember that the more EK keeps them, the more they loose value.

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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:43 am

@Jetjack: We all know that so far, the theory of the sudden death of the hub and spoke structure has not turned into reality and it is highly doubtful that it ever will, even in the long-term future.

It might be true for the US market driven by the deregulation etc., but it will never ever work in other regions with their overly congested airports and strong focus on environmental issues. Don't underestimate the effect on energy consumption, emissions and waste of ressources associated with the long-thin-point-to-point theory, we will not be able to afford it, not today, and with the european plans for cerosene taxation, it will be even less likely tomorrow.

I believe the structure of air traffic will not dramatically change over the next 20 years or so, and even the 747 is still alive as shown by Cathays efforts to buy more on the 2nd hand market. When the world economy recovers, there will be signifcant demand for A380 and 747 sized aircraft (which includes the A346/773ER as well) as well as for the A330/7E7 class, each on their individual missions.

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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:56 am

Jetjack74,
I strongly recomend that you read the posts about EK expansion. (there is almost 1 per week)
This will allow you to better understand why they buy so many planes.

They received capital from the Royal family to start. It was a one time. the rest ois the result of a good management.
The only advantage they have is that they are a tool for the Royal family in their strategy to prepare the after oil in Dubai. So, their strategy is coordinated with the construction of hotels, tourist resorts, business and events.
Don't forget this region has been an important trade point for milleniums. So, they have the "know-how"

That's why I cannot let you say
"Also, these state run/supported carriers are always spending huge amounts of money on aircraft they can't use. "
Or
"The A380 is going to go on the second-hand market very fast. There will be no need for a plane that size in that many numbers for the region."

And as a regular customer, I can tell you their planes are full (and you can verify it by looking at their financial reports on their web sites, and if you don't trust them, look at the statistics of the airport)

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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:08 am

You guys didnt read the fine print on justplanes.com as it said that from 2008-10 onwards that EK will start to phase out its A 332s obviously the oldest models by that time will be around 12-15 years old.

I think that from 2010 onwards the A 332s will start to get slowly phased out in favour of B 7E7s...and not from 2008 onwards.

This means that expect EK to order around 3 dozen B 7E7s at least as their A 332 fleet numbers now 29 + add 7 for passenger traffic growth for the airline in 8 years...I wont be surprised at all if EK place an order for around 36-40 B 7E7s in different variations...basic-stretched-short range etc
 
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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:10 am

Also, these state run/supported carriers are always spending huge amounts of money on aircraft they can't use.

Emirates is a public company with financing from many of the world's major financiers. They received start up capital and not a penny going forward.

Emirates does have the advantage that, in Dubai, fuel is cheaper than water.

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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:14 am

EK is a press release machine backed by the deep pockets royal family of Dubai, so it's often hard to make sense of any news that comes out of there that isn't 100% for certain. 2010 is still 7 years away and as we've all seen, things in the Middle East and in the airline business in general can change very rapidly. I am sure alot of EK's future plans are contingent on continued double-digit growth in Dubai tourism, which seems a bit questionable if one looks out more than a couple of years. Dubai is a great place, and EK is a great airline, but I wouldn't put any weight on anything they announce that is more than a year or two away. These are people who would put out a press release saying they had bought Concordes to fly between Jumeirah Beach and the Deira City Centre if it would get them more publicity!!
 
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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:14 am

To all:

You guys can disbelieve all you want. This topic was posted here a couple of times last week. The report originated with Reuters and picked up on Yahoo.
It seems that Emirates even wanted to sign a letter of intent at the Dubai airshow, but Boeing declined.

Although nothing is written in stone about 7e7, this may not be the last time you read about a 7e7 for A332 order from a major carrier.

regards,

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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:20 am

EK is a press release machine backed by the deep pockets royal family of Dubai, so it's often hard to make sense of any news that comes out of there that isn't 100% for certain.

As I posted right before you, that is utter bullshit.

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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:23 am

Gig, who are the major financiers other than the Al Maktoum family? If it is a public company, why is it not traded on any stock market, including the one in the UAE, where I lived for two years and where the locals widely perceive it as an instrument of the Dubai royal family? It's a quasi-governmental, royal entity, nothing wrong with that, but they don't have to play by the same rules as anyone else.
 
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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:27 am


Many Emirates flights are full most of the time and the A380 will definitely come in handy for Emirates. One very clear example I can think of is the DXB-UK market. The same applies for the DXB-Australia/FRA/CDG/MUC/Saudi/India/Pakistan/Far East markets.

Emirates does not rely on Government bailouts.

Emirates has one A310 in the fleet. This is used on the DXB-PEW route as PEW cannot handle the A330 yet.

It seems to me very reasonable to believe that Emirates may well replace the present A330 fleet around 2008/2010.

Keep discovering,

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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:31 am

All of Emirates purchases are funded by the international banking community, including Deutsche Bank, Citigroup, many Japanese investors, and other Middle Eastern banking interests.

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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:36 am

...And government entities use private funding for all sorts of things, even here in the US....Just because Citibank underwrites some bonds for, say, the State of New York to build a powerplant, it doesn't mean Citibank itself owns the powerplant (or that the bank owns the State), it just means they facilitated the transaction in their capacity as a financial institution. In other words, these banks are lenders (securitized I imagine by the aircraft), not investors in or owners of Emirates.
 
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RE: Emirates Thinking About Replacing The A330?

Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:55 am

For those who have any doubt about who owns Emirates, just take a look at the EK Group Annual Report. Typically, when an independent auditor signs off on the financial statements of a company, it addresses its report to the shareholders and directors of the company. If you own any stock, just look at the "independent auditors' report" in the next annual report you receive. The Audit Report of PricewaterhouseCoopers on EK's financial statements is actually addressed to the Government of Dubai.
It's all right here:
http://www.ekgroup.com/ANREP2003/pdf/Auditors_EK.pdf