MIA777
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AZ @ MIA

Tue Dec 16, 2003 5:09 am

Is an AZ 772 supposed to takeover the MXP-MIA route? I noticed that the MD-11 was switched back over to the 763 (at least the few times I have seen it come in recently). I thought that when the MD-11 left, the 777 would be coming in its place...thanks!
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LHR001
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RE: AZ @ MIA

Tue Dec 16, 2003 5:16 am

Alitalia service to Miami will be all 777 in 2004!
 
sarrebal
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RE: AZ @ MIA

Tue Dec 16, 2003 5:20 am

LHR001 is right.

AZ will switch to a 772 starting Jan 01, 2004
 
nm19371
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RE: AZ @ MIA

Tue Dec 16, 2003 5:34 am

AZ still uses a 763 on BOS-MXP, do they plan to switch to 777s on this route as well or is there not enough volume?
 
sarrebal
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RE: AZ @ MIA

Tue Dec 16, 2003 5:58 am

NM19371

The volume is much higher summertime, because of the VFR market.

In fact, AZ will add a 5x FCO-BOS with a 763 just summertime.

But no 777s quite yet. MXP-BOS is going well, but MXP-MIA is just huge. Always overbooked, especially in business class.
 
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RE: AZ @ MIA

Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:09 am

What is AZ using or planning to use to YYZ?
 
sarrebal
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RE: AZ @ MIA

Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:46 am

MXP-YYZ is served by a 763 and summertime a daily seasonal CO / LIRF), Italy">FCO-YYZ will be operated (763) to serve the VFR market.

AZ N.American routes starting Summer 04:

MXP-JFK daily 777
MXP-EWR daily 767 (probably will switch to 777)
MXP-ORD daily 767
MXP-BOS daily 767
MXP-IAD daily 767
MXP-MIA daily 777
MXP-YYZ daily 767
CO / LIRF), Italy">FCO-JFK 2xdaily (one 777 & one 767)
CO / LIRF), Italy">FCO-EWR daily 767
CO / LIRF), Italy">FCO-BOS 5x 767 seasonal
CO / LIRF), Italy">FCO-YYZ daily 767 seasonal

Plus, there will be flights in code-share with DL:
ATL-MXP daily 767/777
JFK-MXP daily 767
ATL-CO / LIRF), Italy">FCO daily 767/777
JFK-CO / LIRF), Italy">FCO daily 767
CVG-CO / LIRF), Italy">FCO daily 767 seasonal
JFK-VCE 5x(daily?) 767

Note that if we include CO (future Skyteam member) Skyteam will have 100% market share of MXP-N.America nonstop routes.
 
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RE: AZ @ MIA

Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:09 am

I can assure you guys my camera and I and the AZ 777 have an afternoon date on January 1, 2004!!!
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RE: AZ @ MIA

Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:34 am

Alitalia's last Miami flight with an MD-11 took off on 30 November. When it landed in Milan the next morning, it was the last ever Alitalia MD-11 passenger service. For December there is the downgrade (and the likely oversold flights, since a 767 is way too small for the market) to the 767 until they can get a 777 on the route, which is, as mentioned, 1 January 2004.

Alitalia's Miami flight is an excellent performer for them. Italians represent the largest European immigrant group in Miami, with over 200,000 Italians in South Florida, and more than 40,000 of them were born there. Though the reason that the flight is profitable for Alitalia is not high loads and oversold flights (which don't equate to a profit), but because of profitable cargo yields and high premium class demand, both thanks to the fashion industry. That is why MIA is getting the 777 over markets with even stronger Italian ties, like Boston.
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RE: AZ @ MIA

Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:26 pm

First the 747 then the MD-11, 767, MD-11 again for a few days, and now back to the 767 and soon the 777. They've kept it interesting for us which is a good thing and besides (I love the Alitalia scheme)

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RE: AZ @ MIA

Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:35 pm

As of now, the 767 suits BOS well, and with the removal of the MD-11 from the fleet, it should stay that way. AZ announced an upgrade from the 767 to the MD-11 for Summer 2002 but that only lasted about two or three weeks before the flight was relegated back to a 763. It wouldn't surprise me to see the 777 make an appearance or two over the next few weeks as the New England Italian community is generally pretty mobile and a large percentage of the them do travel back to Italy, especially during the holidays, due to the utilization of the 777 fleet and routes with higher priority (JFK, MIA, etc), I doubt if BOS is going to see the 777 in AZ colours anytime soon. It's pretty sad because the 777 has found a bit of a niche with trans-Atlantic carriers with BA, AA, and AF all finding success with the aircraft into the city.

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RE: AZ @ MIA

Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:03 pm

Well, Alitalia's 9th 777-200ER was delivered yesterday, EI-DBM. It will allow Miami to welcome AZ's 777s soon. Alitalia is the third 772 operator at MIA, joining American Airlines and El Al (LY will soon be using 744s too, though, which is nothing to complain about. Starting mid-Jan, 772s on Tuesdays, 744s on Thursdays. During the summer, 744s on both days).
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RE: AZ @ MIA

Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:56 pm

BOS will remain 767 while EWR (here's the news!) should become 777 by summer schedule. ORD should get a 777 service too.

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RE: AZ @ MIA

Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:00 pm

Hey guys!
AZ should send us a flight to MEX. A survey said that there are about 450 daily passengers between MEXICO AND ITALY!

AZ should send us a 767 to start out with!

Thanks
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RE: AZ @ MIA

Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:03 pm

A survey said that there are about 450 daily passengers between MEXICO AND ITALY!


That is not that many. I definitley think that, with AM and AZ in skyTeam, a MEX-MXP link could work in the future, though for now, AM is best codesharing with Alitalia on MIA-MXP.
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RE: AZ @ MIA

Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:12 pm

DaV,

Alitalia currently is send the 777-200 on Newark to Rome!

Is it official that a 777-200 will replace the 767-300 on Malpensa-Chicago?

What great news!


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RE: AZ @ MIA

Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:18 pm

Alitalia currently is send the 777-200 on Newark to Rome!

No, they don't. They did for a while over the summer. Right now, AZ's only 777s service to North America are JFK-MXP and, starting 1 January, MIA-MXP.
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