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Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:14 am

The company may be announcing a new city here in the next month. Strong rumor from management source is that it will be Atlanta,Ga. This may be due to the codeshare on the brink of being inked. More info to follow once I get it.
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:18 am

Are you sure about hear with the new city for next year of 2004? My guess that would like go to FLL or ATL.  Smile
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:24 am

I'm guessing the new city would be a nonstop from SEA?
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:27 am

Yeah, how about let added with the new nonstop to FLL or ATL and if the competition of MIA flight and those are quite doing very well on their way to MIA on AS. Please trying to come flying to FLL. Thanks!!!  Smile
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:33 am

ScottyAir-yes, it would be from Seattle I would guess. The LAX-ATL market is flooded. As I stated above this would most likely be in connection with new codeshare arrangements. I doubt you will see FLL anytime soon. MIA and MCO do very well, but I don't think Alaska can support another A/C in the region. Yes, Im sure about hearing about another city for 2004, that why I started the thread! We have announced no other city's for 2004.
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:02 am

That would be too cool! ATL sure could use the competition, codeshare or not. There's more to ATL than just DL...... Smile
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:10 am

Alaska is a great airline with outstanding employees. I am sure where ever they go next. They will be welcomed. Much success AS.

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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:26 am

How are their routes to BOS and EWR doing? It appears that at least the EWR route is doing well because they added a second N/S. Wasn't the second N/S supposed to be seasonal?

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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:27 am

The new city is gonna be SLC. (they allready leased the gates)
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:31 am

COEWRNJ-Loads on all east coast flight are very good. We are in the down time before X-mas, but loads are hanging strong. This morning Flt. 8 departs 12/67 out of 12/108. Over all when travel is good though, the east coast flight were running at 85-90% load factor. Not half bad! Newark does very well and Boston, if I'm not mistaken are the top 2 in load factors. Are pilots still get a chuckle when they call us "Alaskan" by center. Only in NY!
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:38 am

Actually, let me drop this in... rumor around HERE has it that OMA was trying to court another carrier. Alaska was one of the ones mentioned - and makes the most sense to me. One thing we are short on is westerly options.
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:29 am

didn't they announce recently that AS is taking over LGB from QX? Does this count as a new city?

(yeah yeah, i know they used to fly there in the early nineties...)

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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:39 am

Any news?
before I left I thought there was supposed to be an announcment on monday.

I do hope its ATL or SLC. SLC seemed to be the most requested city from pax, and either would be great if a codeshare w/ DL was ever announced.
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:40 am

As739x, are there still range(weight penalty) restrictions on the MIA run with the 737-900? Just curious. Also, what reservations system does AS use? Thank you.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:43 am

I've been hearing ATL for awhile, but PHL and SLC have been talked about as well. This DL codeshare rumor has been going strong for at least a month now. Any word on when (or if) these announcements are coming down? I'd venture to guess you won't see anything before Christmas, knowing this company's nature.

But then again...
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:50 am

I can only pray it's SLC. It would be nice to have a little competition in that market. Currently the only 2 carriers that offer non-stop service from SEA-SLC are WN and DL. And given that DL just killed the SLC hub, there should be plenty of room for AS to move in.

The rumor I heard was that SEA-SLC-PHX would be the new flight for AS.
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:52 am

John-Yes, we have year round restrictions due to the summer storms and winter jetstream on the 739, but it not very much. I have talked to a pilot who have got out of MIA with only 2 seats open, intereseting what their fuel was when they arrived in EA / KSEA), USA - Washington">SEA. As of late, the EA / KSEA), USA - Washington">SEA-MIA-EA / KSEA), USA - Washington">SEA has been a 73G which can easily handle this flight, so no restrictions needed. The CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO-EA / KSEA), USA - Washington">SEA flight seems to be right at the edge of the envolope of max capacity and non-stop flights.
EA CO AS- R, where you been? Don't see you on first class much. I agree I think the codeshare will be after the year knowing AS. I was told ATL by someone in the planning office, we actually have got to hear a few good things! I won't bet my house, but ATL seems close.Take care.
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:55 am

EA CO AS- R, where you been? Don't see you on first class much.

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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:03 am

By the way, among other rumors for January, 2004:

- large reductions in average handling time (AHT) for reservations through streamlined call procedures

- a "if you don't want to pay now, you can't book now" policy

- major simplification of the fare structure and fare rules

- a focus on lowering CASM through increased longhaul flying
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:08 am

Welcome to the club, I had the flu this past week also. Has taken our whole station by storm, but itslooking better now!. Hang in there.
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:28 am

John - AS uses SABRE for res and departure control, front ended by an in house developed GUI called IMAGE.

RE: SLC vs ATL - I'd expect Atlanta over Salt Lake, at least for AS mainline. ATL would fit in line with the recent pattern of introducing longhaul segments w/ one or two frequencies, and if tied to a codeshare, would be in line w/ similar arrangements on the EWR and BOS routes w/ CO and AA. To be effective against WN in the SEA-SLC market, 3-4 frequencies would need to be started from day one. On the other hand, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see QX offer SLC in the near future. This is the #1 offline station asked for in QX Res.

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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:33 am

"And given that DL just killed the SLC hub"

Holy crap! When did THAT happen?
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:34 am

Duane -

If QX were to offer SLC service, which aircraft do you think would be used for this run? I would assume the CRJ-700...



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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:39 am

"And given that DL just killed the SLC hub"

Holy crap! When did THAT happen?


It happened a month or two ago I think. I mean, it's not dead, but it's severely mauled. I think it's more of a "focus city" now then a hub.

Example:

SEA-SLC:

Previously 5x or 6x Daily
763's - twice a day
73x's (733's & 738's) - 3 or 4 tiimes a day
752's - once a day

Now: 4x daily
(No more 763's or 752's)

73X's - twice a day
MD-90 - once a day
CRJ-200 (DL Connection) - once a day


So when you consider the total loss of seats from moving from 763's to CRJ's, the number of DL seats between SEA & SLC is probably half to two-thirds of what it was; beginning in January.
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:40 am

You gotta wonder if WN is going to grab a few more gates there?
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:42 am

Possibly.. but I hope not. I'm not a big fan of WN. That's why if I want to preserve some semblance of a non-stop from SEA-SLC without flying WN, I am PRAYING that AS moves in.

Now if I really wanted to dream, I would have B6 starting SEA-SLC at 3x daily. Now wouldn't that be nice?  Big thumbs up
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:45 am

You gotta wonder if WN is going to grab a few more gates there?

Probably not. Remember, when WN bought Morris Air and suddenly had large operations at SLC, most of those former Morris planes were used to build up BWI and Florida.

Since WN is still building in the northeast, it's unlikely that they'd see added lift in a low-yield market like SLC as attractive right now.
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:49 am

You gotta love cheap gate space, though. Also, that helps them out with connections. They have a large gap from the MDW, STL, Texas line down tie PHX, AS / KLAS), USA - Nevada">LAS and over to SoCal. They could stand to have a connecting point there halfway between MDW/STL and the west coast.

Anyway, this is off-topic. No OMA for AS then? I wonder who it was that they were courting... AirTran? ATA? JetBlue? We don't have many carriers missing from OMA.
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:50 am

With ATL only currently being a codeshare with AA out of ORD, I think 2 RTs SEA-ATL could be possible. But on the other hand, it could backfire on them if Delta or even AirTran decides to counter the threat Alaska Airlines could pose.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:52 am

How about the neglected TPA?


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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:58 am

I don't think AS won't not going to TPA yet and they keeping trying to the new city for next year of 2004 and hopefully, they will additional more new planes with B737-700/900 aircraft on their way to east coast flight and doing very well on these flight MCO & MIA to SEA. Keep it up, AS and very good work for you. Thanks!  Smile
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:02 am

No OMA for AS then?

No, but in the officer group's "Alaska 2010" presentation of future growth from this summer, OMA was mentioned as a possibility down the line, along with ICT.
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:25 am

No 767-300 on SLC-SEA? I show a 705p and a 1020p departure form SLC to SEA tonight, both 763's. Flight #1234 (hard one to remember) and flight #229.
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:31 am

No 767-300 on SLC-SEA? I show a 705p and a 1020p departure form SLC to SEA tonight, both 763's. Flight #1234 (hard one to remember) and flight #229.

Pull up DL's SLC-SEA schedule on January 7th, though. That's the day their reduced service goes into effect:

07JAN WED SLC/MST SEA/PST-1¶
1DL 1947 SLCSEA 820A 929A M90 0 W /E¶

2DL 2099 SLCSEA 1100A 1212P 738 0 /E¶

3DL*3828 SLCSEA 300P 404P CRJ 0 /E¶

OPERATED BY SKYWEST AIRLINES¶
4DL 838 SLCSEA 649P 756P M90 0 /E¶

NO MORE DL-S* TO CONTINUE¶
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:32 am

Oh, ok so its future. I was looking at today, then was scrtching my head...Thanx R!
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:35 am

No problem! By the way, there's STILL no word on expanded CUN service yet, from what I hear.  Sad
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:25 am

Any word on when we can expect the annoucement? Are we talking long-term or short-term?
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:26 am

How about the neglected TPA?

In the case of Alaska Airlines, it is not being neglected. The market between Tampa and Seattle is minimal. What Tampa really could use is non-stops to San Francisco. United could easily make a daily A319 work.
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:41 am

The market from SFO to TPA is also minimal. You won't see Alaska on that route, I bet a paycheck! ATA coudn't make it work. For SFO any new city's I'm guessing would be as followed. CUN,GDL, and GEG (QX maybe). Mexico seems to be the focus of talks between local and Seattle management. We are seeking more gate space!
BCA- maybe be short-term announcement. A local manager told be that we may announce a new city within a month. Thats what I hear, and that why I posted rumor. I'll let you guys know.
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:50 am

Well, it would be minimal since ATA doesn't serve TPA, those rebels.


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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:58 am

I know AS probably doesn't want to step on toes.. but I would think SEA-ORD and SEA-IAH would be more successful than SEA-ATL....
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 12:05 pm

"but I would think SEA-ORD and SEA-IAH would be more successful than SEA-ATL...."

Isn't UAL pretty heavy in SEA, though? I would suspect that they have loads of SEA-ORD traffic already.
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 12:18 pm

The new city is SLC guys. Some of the others might make it ont Alaska's routemap as well, but SLC is, as far as I know, already in the bag.

They leased Delta's former gates on the B concourse. Sunvalley, I'm curious, which ones did they take? B2 and B4? Or the others? All the gates on the west side of the B concourse are currently vacant....that's gates B2, B4, B6, B8, B10, and B12. At least that's according to SLC airport's main website. Alaska won't need all these spare gates so which do they plan to use?

I really hope it's MD-80 service that SLC gets, though they might bring in a 737 instead. I'd love to see a T-tail at the B concourse again. If you remember that's where Delta used to park 727s that weren't going anywhere for a few hours. B2 especially. There was always a 727 parked at B2, though I never saw it taking passengers. Usually an N400 series aircraft, among the first to be scrapped. Sadly.

Anyway, it's SLC. That's pretty much a given at this point. The only question is when service begins, and which gates they leased on B. They'll be operating a codeshare with Delta as well.  Smile
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 12:46 pm

I would guess SLC too, with maybe a 737 or M80 from SEA, and possibly QX Q400s from PDX. Would it make any sense for AS to start service to DFW, as it is a hub for AA, AS's partner, or IAH, biggest hub for CO, also one of AS's partners?
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:00 pm

Aloha717200 -

I flew United Express (Skywest CRJ-200) the other day, which left from gate B7. When I was there, I noticed that the gate just across the way (B8) had the B6 markings on it. So just a point of reference, I think B8 is the JetBlue gate at SLC.
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:20 pm

That's odd, the SLC website lists the jetblue gate as being A9. While the United gates are the odd-numbered gates on the B concourse. Listing for United Express aren't listed, nor America West express, so I assumed these flights use the E concourse. The jetways on B can actually be lowered to CRJ level? I've never seen that in person there.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:23 pm

I saw the America West Express and United Express at the B gates. The gates were lowered down.
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:37 pm

If the Delta Airlines tie-up rumor are true look for Atlanta or Cincinatti!




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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:48 pm

The jetways on B can actually be lowered to CRJ level? I've never seen that in person there.

Yep Aloha, I've seen it, and been on it!  Big grin Except the little rubber gasket didn't fit all the way over the door, so while I was sitting in seat 1C waiting for everyone else to board, I was freezing my ass off! lol!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Alaska Airlines: New City "Rumor"

Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:09 pm

Aloha717200 - was it ever established that AS actually leased these gates new or are they the holdovers from Horizon's service several years ago (I know the question was asked before, just don't remember the answer)?

I've been around long enough to know better than to say definitively something will/won't happen before the airline itself actually announces it, but based on what my limited sources inside AS/QX are telling me, and what our two very well placed friends in PHX and SFO are saying, I'm still going w/ ATL over SLC. However, if I'm wrong (and you make it out Maui), I'll buy you a Mai Tai. . . Smile

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