ndoduc
Posts: 28
Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2001 11:54 pm

The Cost Of Painting A Livery

Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:42 am

Bonsoir,
I'm looking at the Mekong's XU-735 when I learned that the plane operated with it's green livery only between 15-01-2003 and 20-07-2003 ;
I wonder what can be the cost of painting such a livery like this ( excluding the design value -- only the paint & spraying fees ) , and , yes , is it worth the expenses for only ~6 months ?
Thank you for any info about this
--nh
DoDuc
 
AirOrange
Posts: 252
Joined: Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:05 am

RE: The Cost Of Painting A Livery

Wed Dec 17, 2003 5:35 pm

Depends in which country an aircraft is painted. Costs for the painters' salaries, the paint, complexity of the livery design, the number of colours, possible stickers etc. etc.

An estimate price for the plane you described could have costed between 30.000 and 100.000 euros (excl. taxes).

Regards,
AirOrange
 
SNBA319
Posts: 286
Joined: Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:12 pm

RE: The Cost Of Painting A Livery

Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:28 pm

AirOrange

dont many airlines just use white paint, and then sticker the letters/symbols on the fuselage?
does that cut into the costs, or is it for durability sake?
dank
 
AirOrange
Posts: 252
Joined: Fri Sep 13, 2002 6:05 am

RE: The Cost Of Painting A Livery

Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:17 pm

No, most of them paint their aircraft. Indeed white fuselages with billboard titles look like stickers but it has its disadvantages (for example: the "Air Holland.nl"-livery was a sticker livery while the current new "Air holland" livery (this last one is of our hand) is full paint work: even the little flags). We prefer paint above stickers. The durability of paint is much higher. Sometimes you need to sticker in case of temporary and event designs, very complicated designs or realistic photo images (like Frontier).

The BA World tails were no stickers but paintwork. The paint masks were quite interesting and expensive. The technic of using positive and negative masks is the same as when you make an airbrush drawing.
 
bongo
Posts: 1783
Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2003 5:32 am

RE: The Cost Of Painting A Livery

Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:38 pm

An AV pilot (Very reliable source) told me that the change of livery (From the old red classic Avianca to the new Alianza Summa) of each B767 cost USD$40.000
Here's a picture of "before" and "after"


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Toni Marimon


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Andrés Dallimonti Restrepo

MDE: First airport in the Americas visited by the A380!
 
Southamerica
Posts: 2300
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:56 am

RE: The Cost Of Painting A Livery

Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:33 am

In a recent magazine, I read that for Boeing, painting the World Tails on BA aircraft was a real task. They said that they were the toughest ones to paint, and one of the most expensives aswell.

Boy I cannot imagine how they painted "Dalfbleu Daybreak" or "Whale Rider".


Regards,


Federico in SOUTHAMERICA
 
Guest

RE: The Cost Of Painting A Livery

Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:37 am

@ Bongo - ok, 40,000 USD for changing colours - but AV looks beautiful now. No wasted money!
 
Southamerica
Posts: 2300
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:56 am

RE: The Cost Of Painting A Livery

Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:42 am

Stefandotde,

You're probably the first person I heard that indeed likes our new livery over the previous one. Aesthetics are definitely way subjective.

Regards,


Federico in S.
 
Guest

RE: The Cost Of Painting A Livery

Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:48 am

@Southamerica:
first of all, nearly every new livery is better than the old one.
But anyway: it's a good mix between colours (bird in tail) and sort of elegance.
Maybe people in south america prefer more colors? Or what color-scheme would you prefer, Federico?
 
Southamerica
Posts: 2300
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:56 am

RE: The Cost Of Painting A Livery

Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:55 am

Stefandotde,

Yeah, the new livery is not bad at all, but the previous one lasted many many years, so it had lots more sentimental value.

What I really like about the new scheme over the old, are aircraft interiors. Totally changed and way better. Before, the seats were red with dark blue. Now they are mostly grey with the butterfly stamped all over in different sizes. Truly nice.

Maybe you should read my two trip reports called "Exotic Colombian Trip" and "Another Exotic Colombian Trip" and let me share with you more about our airline and country.

Regards,

Federico in S.
 
bongo
Posts: 1783
Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2003 5:32 am

RE: The Cost Of Painting A Livery

Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:21 am

Personally...I like the color scheme... I think the old red color is "herd for your eye".
The point is that AV spent a lot of money painting all their fleet plus ACES fleet (RIP) plus a complete renewal of the "puente Aereo" in BOG in a bad moment, as you may know AV now is in Ch 11 in N.Y and ACES went bankruptcy a couple of months ago.
BTW: The "puente Aereo" now looks more modern, more comfortable
MDE: First airport in the Americas visited by the A380!
 
Southamerica
Posts: 2300
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:56 am

RE: The Cost Of Painting A Livery

Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:54 am

Bongo,

Please read my last reply on the topic "New colors", I accidentally posted over there instead of here.

Regards.
 
SNBA319
Posts: 286
Joined: Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:12 pm

RE: The Cost Of Painting A Livery

Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:05 am

@ AirOrange

thanks for the explanation, i actually saw the first meant colours for Air Holland, shame the silverish livery didnt 'win' !!
i really liked it, although the new one is smart.

oh yes, many compliments to the Delsey/VG airlines livery, thuoght it looked well smart  Smokin cool

[Edited 2003-12-17 18:06:35]
 
lyzzard
Posts: 401
Joined: Sat Nov 08, 2003 11:48 am

RE: The Cost Of Painting A Livery

Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:22 am

Anyone know if the ANZ Lord of the Rings liveries are painted on or some sort of decal? I can't imagine what the cost would be like to have those images painted.
 
bongo
Posts: 1783
Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2003 5:32 am

RE: The Cost Of Painting A Livery

Thu Dec 18, 2003 5:20 am

Federico: I read your thread...and I agree completely with...I'm with that change.
I like the new interiors, fresher, more modern. I like the meaning of the butterfly with three colors...It was a perfect agency product. Let's hope they get well soon ($$$) and they take it's market share again.
MDE: First airport in the Americas visited by the A380!
 
fflood
Posts: 38
Joined: Mon Jan 08, 2001 11:11 pm

RE: The Cost Of Painting A Livery

Thu Dec 18, 2003 6:13 am

I don't know HOW much it costs, but I do know that on some of the larger aircraft it can add upwards of 300 pounds to the weight of the aircraft depending on it's size!
LINE UP AND WAIT

Who is online