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Door 1 On DC-10/MD-11

Thu Dec 18, 2003 6:46 pm

G'day all,

While looking through some photos, it stuck me that Doors 1L and 1R are narrower than the other doors (Doors 1 appear to be single lane exits as opposed to the others being dual lane). What was the reason for this? Was the DC-10 designed with the concept of 2L being the main loading door?


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RE: Door 1 On DC-10/MD-11

Thu Dec 18, 2003 6:56 pm

I'm pretty sure it was designed with 2L being the primary boarding door. This brings the airplane closer in to the terminal in "tight" situations, thereby giving other aircraft a little more "room" in the back...
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RE: Door 1 On DC-10/MD-11

Thu Dec 18, 2003 6:59 pm

Airports that do not offer a jetway will often opt for the 1L, in addition to 2L, 4L!

Currently in the United States this can be seen at Kona... there may be several others that do not offer jetways and utilize DC-10 aircraft!


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RE: Door 1 On DC-10/MD-11

Thu Dec 18, 2003 7:01 pm

One of many odd quirks about the DC10!

kinda like the escape slide over the wing, how it's so long and in two parts and takes forever to inflate...

or the fact that on UA and other carriers they had the main galley for the entire plane in the cargo hold and everything was dependant on one elevator to work...

or the fact that the power assisted doors in a power failure/emergency situation weigh about 3 million pounds and are nearly impossible to open without getting a few people to help...

yeah, this aircraft was put together without thinking of flight attendants at all!

Door one R and L are single lined (enough for one person to jump at a time) compared with the other doors. It was always part of our silent review to triple check what door we were at and what commands we would shout. (either: form double lines, come this way form double lines; or come this way, come this way)

May the DC10 and 727 never see UA colors again! (IMHO)

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RE: Door 1 On DC-10/MD-11

Thu Dec 18, 2003 8:35 pm

FA,
The DC-10 and 727 are too good for UA's livery in the first place, so I'm sure they won't.

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RE: Door 1 On DC-10/MD-11

Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:45 am

Consider yourself pummeled!

I like DC-10s. Quirks and all. BUT- they're gone, so, I am getting over it.

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RE: Door 1 On DC-10/MD-11

Fri Dec 19, 2003 3:32 am

Don't the doors have a CO2 bottle system to get them open in an emergency? Surely the FA's aren't required to lift them by hand.
 
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RE: Door 1 On DC-10/MD-11

Fri Dec 19, 2003 7:35 am

The Door had a CO2 bottle that would raise the door when operated in the "armed" mode.. The other doors could be raised electrically....
 
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RE: Door 1 On DC-10/MD-11

Fri Dec 19, 2003 7:42 am

If your flying a DC-10 and your flying to an international city, ie NRT, HNL, etc where there is an airport utilizing dual jetways both 1L and 2L doors will be used for passenger boarding/unloading. 1L for business class and 2L for economy class.
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RE: Door 1 On DC-10/MD-11

Fri Dec 19, 2003 8:55 am

kinda like the escape slide over the wing, how it's so long and in two parts and takes forever to inflate...

The 747 o/wing slide is in two parts

or the fact that on UA and other carriers they had the main galley for the entire plane in the cargo hold and everything was dependant on one elevator to work...

You can't blame the a/c for that, blame the customer.


or the fact that the power assisted doors in a power failure/emergency situation weigh about 3 million pounds and are nearly impossible to open without getting a few people to help...

Two people can lift the doors manually - I know, I've done it.

 
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RE: Door 1 On DC-10/MD-11

Fri Dec 19, 2003 8:20 pm

On BA's (originally BCal's) DC10-30s ALL doors were opened electrically during normal operation and pneumatically/CO2 when the slide/rafts were armed. Additionally all 8 doors had a "disarm plus" mode which would lift the door pnematically without deploying the slide. Each door also can be lifted by 2 people in any mode by means of the lifting bar.......done it too, it's hard but possible. ALL 8 slide/rafts on BA's aircraft were dual lane, those at doors 1 & 3 held 25 pax in raft mode whilst those at 2 & 4 held up to 66 pax.
All this info direct from the BA DC10 Safety Equipment & Procedures manual.
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RE: Door 1 On DC-10/MD-11

Fri Dec 19, 2003 10:39 pm

The reason the 1L/1R doors are smaller is because either of the doors would not be able to open due the contour on the fuselage, hence the narrow. At NW, the BF/Goodrich Aircruiser slide raft is single lane, it might be different at other carriers. Also,I was taught in FA training that the both of the 1 door are not to be opened at the sametime due to possibly damaging the doors when the open. There is a safety bumper between the doors stopper, but wears down rapidly.
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