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Runaway Expansion At Kbuf

Fri Dec 19, 2003 3:36 am

Runaway 32 is being expanded at KBUF. Anyone knows how long the new is going to be and if they are going to accommodate airliner traffic at this runaway?

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RE: Runaway Expansion At Kbuf

Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:00 am

You've come to the right place. I've read alot about the expansion and resurfacing project at BUF. The crosswind rwy 14-32 is being extended on the 32 end. When completed (spring '04?) it will be 7,161 ft. and useable by all commercial planes. The main rwy 5-23 will be partially closed in Summer '04 while they add a 725 foot extension to the rwy 23 end. On the rwy 5 end they will further displace the existing threshold by 200 feet. Then in the Summer '05 they will completely close 5-23 for repaving and resurfacing.
When it's all done, the main rwy should be approx 8500' and they will have created the FAA mandated 1000' foot safety overrun area.
The Nimby's in the area are concerned that 14-32 will become nuisance for years to come since it will accommodate commercial jets, but the NFTA says it has no intention of using it heavily after the main rwy is rehabilitated.
It should be interesting to see the larger jets come and go on 14-32 for at least a year though!
 
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RE: Runaway Expansion At Kbuf

Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:41 am

Tanks for these news! I feel for the people living there when NWA DC-9 will be taking off from 32 early morning Big grin

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RE: Runaway Expansion At Kbuf

Fri Dec 19, 2003 7:05 am

The airlines, especially WN, CO, DL, and NW, are going to love the short taxi out to 32.

I wonder where the best spotting areas will be? The new long term lot off Holtz Road might be good. The terminal side of Flying Tigers will probably be good.
 
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RE: Runaway Expansion At Kbuf

Fri Dec 19, 2003 9:38 am

Good for Buffalo! Having a 7,000'+ crosswind runway will be a good safety improvement. And some additional length on 5-23 never hurts either. Thanks for all the info, Dan!

Would that we could expand our crosswind runway at Rochester. At 5,500' it's far less than ideal. Interstate 390 hems in the 28 end pretty closely, and an eight-rail Conrail switching yard hems in the other.

Monroe County determined during the 1980's that they could safely add 350' at the 28 end an 300' at the 10 end, but for some reason it was never done. A few years ago Monroe County constructed a 1000' soft-rubbery overrun zone at the 10 end (the vast majority of 10-28 arrivals touch down on the 28 end). They could still do the short 28 improvement, don't know why they haven't.

The better course of action would be for the county to move the rail yard a couple miles south. Most of the land immediately to the west of rwy 4-22 is county controlled. Then they could have eminent-domained the undeveloped land off the end of 10 all the way to Fisher Road, and extended 10-28 to about 7,500'. That would provide the kind of safe crosswind runway a medium-size air carrier airport needs.

But, alas, we enthusiasts aren't in charge of such decisions. Big grin

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RE: Runaway Expansion At Kbuf

Fri Dec 19, 2003 11:37 am

Hey Jim. The one time I landed at ROC was in a United 737 a couple years back and we soon departed from rwy 28 for the short hop to BUF. As I recall, it was like an aircraft carrier takeoff from that short rwy! Does 10-28 at ROC normally get used by commercial jets nowadays?
If it were up to us enthusiasts, I think we'd make the runways a nice 10,000'
 
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RE: Runaway Expansion At Kbuf

Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:28 pm

Hey Jim. The one time I landed at ROC was in a United 737 a couple years back and we soon departed from rwy 28 for the short hop to BUF. As I recall, it was like an aircraft carrier takeoff from that short rwy! Does 10-28 at ROC normally get used by commercial jets nowadays? If it were up to us enthusiasts, I think we'd make the runways a nice 10,000'

I'm not sure how regularly mainline a/c use 10-28 nowadays. But the impression I get from my visits is that it's less than it was during the '80s and '90s. A few months ago I watched an AirTran 717 land on 28, but I haven't seen a mainline a/c take off from it this year. In 2001 and 2002 I regularly saw mainline a/c take off from it and land on it.

Also, the ubiquitous RJ's seem to mostly use 4-22, especially for takeoffs. I still see lots of prop activity on 10-28; Dehavillands, B1900's etc.

And yes, if it were up to me, main runways would all be at least 9,000, preferably 10,000, and all crosswind runways would be at least 7,000.  Smile

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RE: Runaway Expansion At Kbuf

Fri Dec 19, 2003 10:20 pm

28 is occasionally used by commercial planes. B6 & USAir used it a few weeks ago during high winds. Delta refused to fly here a couple years ago when 4/22 was repaved,pissing alot of pax off. Back then,their 727's couldn't (according to them) use 10/28.
ROC could extend 4/22 over Pual Rd if they really wanted to,but I doubt they will as Fed Ex use their A300/A310's here just fine.
Does BUF still have mainline DL ? I thought they lost it like ROC did because of Airtran (SYR still has DL mainline)
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RE: Runaway Expansion At Kbuf

Fri Dec 19, 2003 10:42 pm

United_Fan: BUF lost DL and AA mainline just as ROC did.

BUF still has mainline service from:
US, UA, NW, and CO (I think there is only one CO 737, the rest are ERJ or B1900)

LCC service with full size jets:
WN, B6, FL
 
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RE: Runaway Expansion At Kbuf

Fri Dec 19, 2003 10:56 pm

ROC doesn't have CO mainline,just Junglejets . Sad,ROC has NO Next Generation 737's !!
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RE: Runaway Expansion At Kbuf

Fri Dec 19, 2003 11:25 pm

At least you ROC-DCA travelers finally have a Chautauqua E145 jet once a day instead of the usual All-Dash service.

Also, regarding the expansion at BUF, the new approach lighting system will be built on the rwy 32 approach. I imagine that's because the prevailing winds are usually from the West or SW. Not sure what theyre putting in on the 14 end?
 
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RE: Runaway Expansion At Kbuf

Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:25 am

At BUF,which runway is it that you can see from the Thruway?
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RE: Runaway Expansion At Kbuf

Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:54 am

The end of the runway you can see from the Thruway is 23.
 
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RE: Runaway Expansion At Kbuf

Sat Dec 20, 2003 3:00 am

I have nice aerial overview photo of KBUF with 32 expansion clearly visible. It's in the queue waiting for screening - stay tuned  Big grin
 
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RE: Runaway Expansion At Kbuf

Tue Dec 23, 2003 6:46 pm

Here you go - expansion of 32:

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RE: Runaway Expansion At Kbuf

Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:57 pm

Hey, great overview picture. Keep it up. I think that's the first overview I've seen since they built the new terminal. You can really appreciate how close the Flying Tigers restaurant is to the runway!

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