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Continental At Term. A In EWR

Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:39 pm

Why does CO operate flights to ORD, MDW, ATL, and DFW out of Terminal A at EWR? I would think they would have enough gates over in Terminal C to operate the flights from there. Does any know why they moved those flights to A.

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RE: Continental At Term. A In EWR

Fri Dec 19, 2003 2:00 pm

I don't remember the exact reason, but I believe it has to do with the fact that ATL, DFW, and ORD happen to be America's three largest hubs. Most of the traffic to these destinations is O&D, and TA is more convienent.
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RE: Continental At Term. A In EWR

Fri Dec 19, 2003 9:55 pm

It was also a gate swap with UA originally. Something like UA gave CO those gates in exchange for additional CO gates in LAX. Flew threw their last week and it is very nice and convenient.
 
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RE: Continental At Term. A In EWR

Fri Dec 19, 2003 10:07 pm

I thought those CO gates at Terminal A were former USAir gates, back when USAir actually had decent loads at EWR.
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RE: Continental At Term. A In EWR

Fri Dec 19, 2003 10:12 pm

I thought they were USAir gates as well. When I flew to ORD most of the other gates around were USAir and one was HP but HP has since moved to concourse A1 next to United using gate A18 I believe.

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RE: Continental At Term. A In EWR

Fri Dec 19, 2003 11:17 pm

The flights to Atlanta, Dallas, and Chicago are almost entirely O&D routes, i.e. very few, if any, passengers on these routes connect onto other Continental flights in Newark.
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RE: Continental At Term. A In EWR

Fri Dec 19, 2003 11:47 pm

This last reason is correct. CO had an opportunity for more gates at EWR. At that airport, they would probably want even more gates where ever they could acquire them. CO basically just picked out domestic markets with few connecting pax that connect and decided to serve them from A. Besides it is also thought that these CO's pax in these markets are often FF, that will know after awhile that those flights are out of A. to not inconvenience people. A friend flew from DEN-EWR and arrived at A once. I guess there were few connecting pax that day.

I heard about the UA swap in LAX for EWR gates. I have also heard that when Kiwi Airlines went under CO swooped in to get their gates instantaneously!
 
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RE: Continental At Term. A In EWR

Fri Dec 19, 2003 11:53 pm

I think that another reason that they do this is the way that they route the A/C. The A/C that go into Term A will turn back to the cities that they came from. If there are delays at ATL then it is only the ATL flights that will be delayed and not the rest of the system.
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RE: Continental At Term. A In EWR

Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:18 am

...another reason that they do this is the way that they route the A/C....

Saddly, I know this isn't true. While it might be the case in theory, in practice I saw for myself this not being the case last week. I was flying to Atlanta, but the inbound plane was coming from Boston, where there were heavy delays due to snow.
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RE: Continental At Term. A In EWR

Sat Dec 20, 2003 2:12 am

Ybacpa,

I was talking about who they schedule the aircraft on a planning basis. Day to day the a/c might be routed differently. I assume that becasue of the snow they were routed differently that day to help maintain the schedule as close to on-time as possible. If you look at the continental web-site today you will see that all of the BOS flights are arriving at Term C and ATL flights are arriving and departing out of Term A.
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RE: Continental At Term. A In EWR

Sat Dec 20, 2003 3:41 am

Greenguy-

You are correct, just on a slightly smaller scale. We "isolate" the EWR hub, that is, very few flights that operate out of EWR operate flights out of any other hubs, so that if there is an delay situation ex-EWR the problem will be isolated to EWR flights for the most part and not affect the entire system.
 
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RE: Continental At Term. A In EWR

Sat Dec 20, 2003 3:52 am

777gk,

And on an even small scale at EWR the ATL,DFW,MDW and ORD flights are isolated to Term A in order to minimize delays to the rest of flights through EWR.
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RE: Continental At Term. A In EWR

Sat Dec 20, 2003 7:27 am

Does Continental offer a sterile bus transfer between the two terminals, or is it necessary to exit security and re-enter?
 
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RE: Continental At Term. A In EWR

Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:00 pm

Continental operates ATL, MDW, ORD, and DFW flights out of Terminal A for a couple of reasons. First, it acquired the gates when Kiwi International Airlines went out of business in 1998 or 1999. Second, most of the EWR to ATL/MDW/ORD/DFW traffic (though not all of it, naturally) is considered to be O&D. Apart from LAX, BOS, and DCA, these are the most travelled to US cities from the NYC area. Third, Continental ran out of gate space at its Terminal C before the C3 concourse was opened.

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RE: Continental At Term. A In EWR

Sat Dec 20, 2003 3:06 pm

"First, it acquired the gates when Kiwi International Airlines went out of business in 1998 or 1999"

Sorry but that is wrong, Kiwi operated out of three gates it shared with TWA in Terminal A Concourse 3. US Airways is NOW operating out of A-3, the former TWA/Kiwi gates.

CO indeed purchased the 5-6 gates at Terminal A-2 from UAL in a gate swap, which is why UAL now operates some flights out of Terminal 6 at LAX. UAL owned the A-2 gates but leased them to US Airways and Air Canada, Air Canada is still at A-2 but US Airways is at A-3 with AA.

The CO gates at Terminal A were originaly going to be exclusively for flights to latin America, however at some point they changed their minds and went with the ATL, ORD, MDW flights.
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