richardw
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EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Sat Dec 20, 2003 4:55 am

from the end of March 2004. What flights will they replace them with?

My guess is LGW-IBZ in the morning and LGW-PRG in the evening.
 
sas767
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:14 am

LGW-CPH could be a possibility - they already hold slots at CPH for a service to LGW.

In other news Easyjet plans to launch a CPH-Malaga route from June 2004 - this information came from Peter van der Heijden (Easyjet's marketing manager for Holland and Scandinavian) in connection with the opening of the Bristol-CPH route two days ago.

Cheers
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richardw
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:31 am

but would have to compete with Maersk from LGW to CPH, are Maersk sucessful on the route?
 
sas767
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:53 am

Unfortunately I don't know the exact situation for Maersk on the CPH-LGW route - but I suppose it's profitable as they still operates it (in recent years they have cut their most lost giving destinations out of the network)

Anyway I wouldn't expect direct competition between EZY and Maersk on this route, as they in my opinion would aim at different customer segments.
 
RJ100
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Sat Dec 20, 2003 8:29 pm

So EasyJet's operations in Zurich are down to 3 daily LTN flights, right?

Well they were in talks with the airport since a long time (to lower fees) but apparently EasyJet was not succesful...

RJ100
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richardw
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Sat Dec 20, 2003 8:48 pm

I guess they thought if we lower fees for one airline we will have to do it for the others and the loss of two EZY flights per day is the lesser of the two evils.
 
RJ100
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Sat Dec 20, 2003 8:52 pm

Yes you are right.

And not to mention that ZRH does simply not have the money to lower fees (after realizing their new "dock midfield project").

I remember that when EasyJet started the Zurich flight they had big expansion plans...

East Midlands
Geneva (something like an hourly shuttle service!!!)
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RJ100
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Unique
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Sat Dec 20, 2003 11:21 pm

I've been involved with the negotiations EasyJet had with ZRH Airport. What they wanted from the airport was simply beyond common sense.

One example is to get 1 million Swiss Francs (approx USD 798'000 or GBP 450'000) as kick-back for each airplane they base at ZRH. The usual request to lower the fees for them (and only for them as otherwise, they're again not competitive enough) was turned down in order not to discriminate other carriers.

There were a lot of other "requests" from EasyJet...
 
donder10
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:07 am

But if LX go under(not that far stretched), I would expect EZY to be back at the negotiating table.Will the LTN flights stay?Either way this is a shame as the LGW schedule allowed for a full day at ZRH.
 
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:20 am



Is there any chance of Easyjet beginning operations out of Dublin. I think it would be great. That would be another large scale Ryanair base that Easyjet would trespass into.

I love it when Ryanair gets competition because their prices drop through the floor and beyond the basement until they run their opponent out of the airport. This has happened with Go and I really hope MyTravelLite can survive

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teahan
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:24 am

@RyanairA320:

I very honestly doubt they want to step on Ryanair's "home turf". People often underestimate the importance Ryanair attaches to Dublin. MyTravelLite will likely pull out soon; dismal load factors.

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RyanairA320
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:34 am

I love ryanair. I flew them last week and im off to brussels with them in 2 weeks for 12euro return incl all taxes.

I was also on MyTravelLite's inaugral service from dub. It had a total of 36 passengers.Nice aircraft and crew but I prefer to walk to my plane coz it gives a great oppurtunity for photographs.

I get annoyed sometimes because Ryanair dont offer enough continental European flights from Dublin. Thats where I really want to travel to for free

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RJ100
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:24 am

They are also negotiating with AIG (Aéroport Intercontinental de Genève).
EasyJet is unhappy with the fees in Geneva but the AIG does not want to lower them.
They delayed the new contract with EasyJet from the 15.12.2003 to an unknown date...

AIG now considers to reopen old facilities at Geneva airport which could be operated with less money.

Regards,
RJ100
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:38 am

RJ100,

regarding GVA-easyJet negociations it is a bit more complicated. Both were negociating to in order that the airport would redo the charter terminal and give it to easyJet. In return easyJet would sign a contract over the next 5 years where 1 extra aircraft would be added each year.

These negociations leaked out into the press, following which the other airlines (notably Air France, Swiss, Lufthansa), threatened the airport and ready to attack the airport in justice for price discrimination.

In order to get around this it was decided last week that the charter terminal would be modernized and put it to disposition of any airline wanting to operate from there as long as space was available. Airport costs in the charter terminal would be about 25-40% lower than in the main terminal, which remain pretty low compared to the European average. Although the other airlines are screaming their heads off, this is already being done by Ryanair in Dublin without any problems.

Obviously it looks as if easyJet has become pretty sneaky lately in their business practices...

Cheers,
Tim
 
RJ100
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:47 am

Thanks for the detailed information Tim

I was reading something about that in the Le Temps and Tribune de Genéve newspapers last week but I was not sure if I have understand everything (my French is not that good and this is also the reason why I read the Geneva newspapers from time to time  Big grin )

And yes, EasyJet gets more and more agressive.

Thanks again and à bientot  Big grin

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RJ100
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:11 am

Here's the official EasyJet press release:

http://www.easyjet.com/EN/news/20031219_02.html

Why does it not affect the Luton flights? And why are the other low cost carriers that fly into Zurich not complaining?

Regards,
RJ100

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scf158
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:26 am

I do hope that easyjet's base in GVA grows some more... I am hoping that they will eventually start Geneva-Berlin. Does anyone think the GVA base will grown in terms of destinations? Or is that completely out of the question?

 
teahan
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:37 am

@RJ100:

Well check the cost base (or even the average fares) of easyJet and then the other so called low cost airlines.

@Scf158:

Check reply #13 by Tim which explains the situation perfectly.

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gilesdavies
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Tue Dec 30, 2003 9:59 pm

I think easyJet is using landing charges as an excuse and doesn't want to admit that the route is a failiure or they will face a backlash from Ryanair. As both airlines have a "love hate" relationship.

I have always thought it is strange for easyJet to have three major bases in the London area both at LTN, STN and LGW and operating virtually identical routes (Although easyJet has inherited a lot of routes from Go at STN when thry took them over). When easyJet first launched routes out of LGW I thought they would have reduced the frequency of there same routes from LTN but this has never really happened.
 
worldtraveler
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Tue Dec 30, 2003 11:15 pm

Can some of you Europeans help me understand all of the secondary London airports? ie a map w/ all LON airports, travel times and services from central London to each; runways, faciliites, expansion capabilities, major operators at LTN, STN, LCY?

thx
 
RJ100
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Tue Dec 30, 2003 11:27 pm

Heathrow: West of London
Gatwick: South of London
Luton: North of London: EasyJet base, charter traffic
Stansted: North-East of London: Ryanair base, EasyJet base (after they have bought GO)
City: in the heart of London


www.baa.co.uk website for Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted

http://www.londoncityairport.com/ city airport website

http://www.london-luton.co.uk/ Luton airport website

Regards,
RJ100
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Rick767
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Tue Dec 30, 2003 11:42 pm

WorldTraveler,

London Airport Locations

Let's assume LCY is in central London (in reality it is 2-3 miles east of the centre but essentially less than a mile from the business district).

LHR is 22 miles West of London
LGW is 27 miles South of London
STN is 27 miles Northeast of London
LTN is 31 miles Northwest of London

Access from the City

LHR is reachable from London by tube or coach in about 45 minutes, or the pricey but excellent Heathrow Express from Paddington Station in 15 minutes.

LGW is linked by the Gatwick Express train to Victoria Station in about 30 minutes.

STN is linked by the (unreliable and with several stops) Stansted Express train in about 45 minutes.

LTN is linked by Midland Mainline from St Pancras in 25 minutes, or the (more regular) Thameslink from Kentish Town station in about 40 minutes.

Road-wise LHR and LGW are essentially placed on the M25 London Orbital motorway (LGW on a short M23 spur to the South of the Orbital). LTN is on the M1 north of the Orbital while STN lies on the M11 Northeast of the Orbital.

All these roads are horrendous to travel on and you would be foolish to attempt to travel on them to any of the aforementioned airports during the 18 hours per day they are gridlocked.

Major Operators

LHR and LGW take the bulk of the scheduled traffic, LGW taking holiday charter flights as well

STN and LTN are generally loaded with low-cost carriers, but also have holiday charter (much less than LGW of course) and limited "full-service" scheduled carriers.

Runways (approx lengths)

LHR has two 12,000ft runways
LGW has a single 10,000ft runway
STN has a single 10,000ft runway
LTN has a single 8,000ft runway
LCY has a single 5,000ft runway
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worldtraveler
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Tue Dec 30, 2003 11:47 pm

great information, gentlemen. many thanks for your rapid response!
 
Rick767
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Tue Dec 30, 2003 11:51 pm

Slight correction... been a while since I flew from LTN obviously as the runway is only 7,000ft long!
I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
 
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Wed Dec 31, 2003 1:08 am

Rick,

Any news on any new LGW routes or any possible SOU/BOH EZY expansion?

Ben Pritchard
 
Rick767
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RE: EasyJet To Stop LGW-ZRH...

Wed Dec 31, 2003 2:46 am

"Any news on any new LGW routes or any possible SOU/BOH EZY expansion?"

Ben,

BOH apparently... but those in the know are keeping very hush-hush about it and when/if an announcement is made we will all probably hear it at the same time as you.

There is potential certainly for a couple of new routes with ZRH going, but again it's all speculation. IBZ has been mentioned... can't see it myself.
I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...