cs03
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Plastic With Meals!

Sat Dec 20, 2003 11:45 am

Has anyone heard about changes in the rules about using metal forks and knives in the cabin again? They are tough to work with, and they look bad with a nice meal!
 
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Sat Dec 20, 2003 11:49 am

Apparently they are permitted once again, but rather it is an airline decision to not use them.
 
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:08 pm

At Continental Micro, we use metal fork and spoons and plastic knives.
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mas a330
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:42 pm

I got metal cutlery on my flights yesterday and today
 
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Sat Dec 20, 2003 1:54 pm

MAS A330:

Were you flying in the US?

I'm not for these stupid rules about short, dull blades ("It's a nail-clipper, fer chrissakes!!!"). However, I doubt many people in this country are comfortable with the idea of real knives and such on airplanes.

Yet.
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Sat Dec 20, 2003 2:02 pm

Get over the "Fear" of the past 9-11 World!

We live in a day in age that people are allowed to bring lighters, nail polish remover, and reading spectacles onborad aircraft and not a simple nail file!

Get over it....

Do you think that someone isnt going to attempt to set a seat or a lavatory on fire with a lighter?

Do you think that nail polish remover is not going to be used a ignition source for a fire?

Do you think that reading spectacles cant be used to stab a person?

Do you think that a plastic duty-fre bag cant be used to somther a person?

And we are allpetrified about a knife that is being given to a passenger in First Class that is paying several thousands of dollars for his/her ticket! Wow... get a grip!

Yes, it is true that box-cutters were used in the 9-11 incident. You now must also realize that the Flight Attendants have near nothing to defend themselves with. At one time they were allowed to bring a pocket knife that also served as a wine opener. now they are left with apthetic self-defense courses. If you have seen the sizes of some of these Flight Attendants you would be amazed if they could even life one of their hefty legs into the air!


LHR001
 
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Sat Dec 20, 2003 2:03 pm

"What if a passenger has really big hands? Those could be used as a weapon."

-George Carlin
 
elwood64151
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Sat Dec 20, 2003 2:06 pm

Lhr001:

I wasn't saying I agree with the restrictions. I think they're as stupid as you do.

But it's public perception that matters, and a lot of airlines are going to look at their passenger's fears and simply say, "not us."

You and I believe in principles (though often enough different principles). Unfortunately, the world operates on emotion, conjecture, and perception, not principle.
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Sat Dec 20, 2003 2:18 pm

Here is a question-

How is a person paying $10.000 for a ticket in First from Los Angeles to London going to cut their steak?


LHR001
 
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Sat Dec 20, 2003 2:23 pm

How is a person paying $10.000 for a ticket in First from Los Angeles to London going to cut their steak?

If one paid only $10 for their First Class LAX-LHR ticket, then why would they be complaining? Jeeze, you can't even buy a cooked steak for $10...  Innocent
 
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Sat Dec 20, 2003 2:27 pm

The steaks come pre-cut from catering (at least they do on AA). Looks like somebody has already had a go at eating them..... which is why I've been sticking to the rotisserie chicken meal the past few weeks.
 
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Sun Dec 21, 2003 4:24 am

I had missed thread. Northwest, at least, has been using all-metal cutlery since September. But their rather blunt knives are less of a threat then school scissors.  Smile

 
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Sun Dec 21, 2003 4:32 am

I was pleasantly surprise to see a metal knife on my AS flight from SEA-AS / KLAS), USA - Nevada">LAS in F/C last Oct. But those knifes are so dull anyway I doubt you easily slit someone's throat, maybe jabbing at them really hard might do something. I think the full size bottles or wine or champagne would be more of a danger....breaking one and cutting someone with that would be quite easy.
 
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Sun Dec 21, 2003 8:52 am

As Worldperks stated, Northwest introduced re-designed metal dinner knives in September, with a serrated cutting edge, but a blunt end. I don't suppose they'd please a chef from Benihana, but they're an improvement over plastic.
 
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:08 am

I don't understand the logic here - flying EK LHR-DXB you get plastic knives, but flying EK DXB-DOH you get metal knives. Both legs were business class.

BA seems to be plastic everywhere (even 1st class).

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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:58 pm

If I was flying first clas I'd expect my steak to be tender enough to only need the bluntest of knives.
 
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Mon Dec 22, 2003 6:24 am

Im surprised they dont take away our belts... those could be a potential danger!

My brother is a musician and they took away his music stand when he went through security! I mean common...
 
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Mon Dec 22, 2003 10:47 am

I think a ball-point pen is more dangerous than a blunt knife that you might get with a meal.

There are so many other threats:

Break a wine bottle, use jagged edges/pieces
Strangle people with belts
Throw laptop batteries upside peoples heads (ouch!)
Bring power supplies to electronics and whip them around fast by the cord and release with aim

Our only defense is to use the seat cushion as a shield...  Smile
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Mon Dec 22, 2003 10:57 am

Some of these comments are so funny that I'm still laughing like hell 10 minutes later.

B4real, Prodtoflyaa you've made my day !!!

I'm still in stitches and can barely type.
 
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Mon Dec 22, 2003 10:59 am

Seriously, I know it's no laughing matter especially in light of 9-11 but this kind of humor helps with the paranoia.
 
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Mon Dec 22, 2003 11:03 am

The real reason for plastic cutlery is that it is cheaper to buy and is disposable, so no washing or polishing to do!

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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Mon Dec 22, 2003 2:51 pm

On four AC flights this past week..

2 flights economy: all meal utensils plastic

2 flights business class:

China plates, glassware for wine and spirits, stainless fork, stainless spoon and cheap white PLASTIC knife!!

What gives?

Their metal fork has always been more 'deadly' than the blunt metal butter knife they had pre-9112001 anyway. The metal knife just has a better chance of surviving spreading half-frozen butter without snapping into pieces.

Is this business class, or nursery school?



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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Mon Dec 22, 2003 3:25 pm

All the Qantas international flights offer the meals with stainless steel cultury in the Economy Class.
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Fri Dec 26, 2003 1:57 am

If people wanna use weapons, they do.
And with knifes I saw on board from planes I can cut a steak but can't kill anybody.
Ok, there are nationalities who don't care about style, they even drink champagne out of plastic-cups but fortunately there are other civilzed countries  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Fri Dec 26, 2003 3:17 am

We at First Air (7F) opted for plastic cutlery all the way. Our decision was based on "metal fork, metal spoon and plastic knife".....really looks tacky. Plastic all the way!

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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Fri Dec 26, 2003 3:31 am

CO recently re-introduced metal knives on international services in coach and business first (was metal spoon and fork + plastic knife)......it just looks better and the dull metal knives used are really no threat. As stated above, a variety of items can be more dangerous than a "butter knife" if someone wants to create a weapon. Its interesting that plastic knives are still showing up on CO domestic first class services, I think that it is an inventory thing since last week, one domestic flight had plastic knives and others had metal.

I am not being nasty or trying to be funny, does the threat level have any impact on the use of metal knives on board......ie, now that we are at orange, will he airlines go back to plastic?
 
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RE: Plastic With Meals!

Fri Dec 26, 2003 3:45 am

All problems resolved - catering by Jamba Juice. Menu choices consist of wheat grass, various bursts, etc. to give passengers a variation. (of course, no straws - they're lethal).....