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US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:17 am

I have seen that the first deliveries to US which were supposed to be this month have been pushed back to March. Even so, have any of them been completed to the point where they have been painted or maybe even partially (tail fin while on the line)? If so, has anyone seen a picture yet. I can't wait to see what it will look like.
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:19 am

Where did you get hear about of US Airways was pushback to March '04? Is that will be first deliveries to US Airways. I can't wait to see first of US in the EMB-170 aircraft and well, talk ya later!  Smile

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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:22 am

Yes, we had a group of employees that JUST got back from factory training and they told me there are several Embraer 170's in the completion hanger and sitting on the ramp ready to head north. They said the first should start heading north after the holidays. Sorry, no pictures though as photgraphy is not allowed on the factory property.
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:25 am

EMBQA,

Thanks for the update!!
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:28 am

.........also. they got to go on an all day "Proving Flight"....... all they would say was......"WoW.....Very nice plane...!!
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 10:23 am

All 87 being delivered are going to Mid-Atlantic Airways, 42 in 2004, 45 in 2005. Suppose to launch 1st services with 7 aircraft in March. No routes determined yet.
 
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:34 pm

I think it should be made clear, these aircraft are not US Airways Express aircraft. Mid Atlantic Airways is a division of US Airways mainline and these aircraft will be flown under the mainline banner, not Express.
 
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:35 pm

Is that was not ready for start on their route out of PIT, PHL or CLT flight. You'll probably will find out about exactly what is going on for lately with US.
 
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:01 pm

I think it should be made clear, these aircraft are not US Airways Express aircraft.

...but will be flown with 'US Airways Express' titles.
 
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:05 pm

Mid Atlantic Airways is a division of US Airways mainline

No, just because it's owned by USAir doesn't mean it's mainline. It's basically just USs attempt to bring their regional operation in house. They finally realized that 12 regional affiliates is alittle too much.
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:14 pm

...but will be flown with 'US Airways Express' titles.

I think they've made it clear that it will not be, actually.

No, just because it's owned by USAir doesn't mean it's mainline.

The planes will be operated on mainline routes with a mainline flight number in a two class configuration. What exactly makes it mainline to you?

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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:17 pm

What exactly makes it mainline to you?

The contract and the crews. If they're USAir crews, then it's mainline. If they're Mid-Atlantic crews, then it's not. Simple as that. Seats and titles do not enter into it.
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:19 pm

Fair enough, but calling MDA a regional is unfair as well.

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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:21 pm

MDA is Mid-Atlantic I'm assuming. But they're not a regional? American Eagle, ExpressJet, and Comair are regionals, yet this one isn't? Explain please.

Also, since they aren't even flying yet... they aren't really anything are they?
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:23 pm

Those other airlines fly regional jets to small destinations under a different flag.

MDA will be flying mainline jets to mainline stations under the mainline flag.

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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:25 pm

Then why is it called by another name? Mainline jets to mainline stations under a mainline flag sounds like US Airways to me, not MDA.
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:26 pm

I spoke with someone at Mid Atlantic, it will be US Airways EXPRESS. All pilots are mainline ALPA furloughs, flight attendants represented by AFA.
 
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:29 pm

All pilots are mainline ALPA furloughs

So they were mainline, but aren't anymore. The same thing happened at CLE. Furloughed mainline and Jetlink pilots now fly for Commutair on 1900s. This doesn't mean Commutair is a mainline carrier, however.
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:31 pm

I think they've made it clear that it will not be, actually.

Actually, the planes will fly with 'US Airways Express' titles.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1306041/

I've heard the plan has since changed, and a one-class configuration will be used in the new aircraft. However, I can't confirm this.

The only reason MidAtlantic is called a 'division of mainline' is because they will use furloughed US Airways crews.


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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:32 pm

I don't think that thread resolves anything.

The story from the very beginning has been the CRJs will end up in Express livery, and the EMBs will not be.

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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:34 pm

Can't judge a book by its cover...
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:38 pm

Heh even more compelling really is that they've renamed Mid Atlantic to the "Embraer Division of US Airways" for all purposes.

Only US employees really still call it MDA (or MAA rather now).

The two class thing is possibly up in the air but no matter how you cut it, its not going to be a regional operation.

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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:42 pm

"Regional" now seems to be defined as any flight under 2000 miles. Well, it's not worth arguing it. I just don't see how it's anything but regional if it's not mainline. Err.... wait it could be mainline..... but......aww hell never mind.

PS- Will they use a new callsign or just "USAir?"
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:27 pm

If that's your requirement, the 2000 mile range, then wouldn't US Airways itself be considered regional as well? They do not have that many long haul flights compared to other majors.
 
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:38 pm

2000 miles isn't my requirment. I'm just saying that as regional jets now fly legs up to 2000 miles that the word has become rather distorted. The line between regional and mainline has blurred.
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Sun Dec 21, 2003 5:54 pm

For all intents, Mid Atlantic is a mainline carrier with express titles. The only thing regional about it is the salary it will pay.
 
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:36 am

Well, I guess we'll just have to wait till they start flying and we'll see if it says "US Airways" or "US Airways Express" since we don't have pictures yet. Personally, with all the commuter airlines that fly for US Airways (too many to mention), I would say it's Express as well.

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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:53 am

I think we may just have to wait until the first plane is out in public view for pictures. Until then it will be a battle of words on whether or not it will have Express titles. When originally announced, the 170s were going to have just "US Airways" on the side. I haven't seen anything on the other forums (Flightinfo and USAviation) to contradict this. The link to the other thread above is pretty much meaningless since it would hold as much water to me putting a link to a thread I could start stating the opposite.
 
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:56 am

Actually, I did see something on USAviation, but it was a while ago, and would take a lot of digging to find.
 
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Mon Dec 22, 2003 4:30 am

I already saw the first four aircrafts and I can tell you that all Embraer 170 on assembly line for USAirways have the Express Titles

There is too a "Mid Atlantic - operated by USAirways" in small letters, near the main door. (I´m not so sure about this one, maybe the text is a little bit different).

And the first four will have the following reg´s:

N801MA
N802MD
N803MD
N804MD

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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Mon Dec 22, 2003 4:43 am

Vector- Since you are obviously closest to the situation, do you know if there is any chance the factory will be releasing some official photos?
 
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Thu Dec 25, 2003 5:10 am

Hi

I already could get a photo of the USAirways Express Embraer 170.

Please... send an email to ERJ170@uol.com.br requesting a photo and I will send by email.

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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Thu Dec 25, 2003 9:04 pm

Vector - 'shame' on you for using the ERJ monniker in the e-mail address when you obviously know better!!  Wink/being sarcastic (Just kidding...)
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Fri Dec 26, 2003 12:29 am

GIGNELI:

the erj-170s will fly under EXPRESS titles. part of the deal the ALPA made with us airways, was that to allow the increased presence of regional jets flying for us airways, the airline would create "mid-atlantic airlines", an in-house regional airline (not unlike expressjet, american eagle or comair). furthermore, all mid-atlantic pilot hires would initially come out of furloughed us airways' pilots, then would be open to new external hires. it is important to know that these pilots will not be paid mainline rates, and have the option to continue in the pool of furloughed pilots waiting for mainline rehire, but at least with mid-atlantic, there is work and pay and room for advancement the planes will be used to replace the more expensive us airways mainline service on lower-demand routes throughout us airways' complex eastern route system.
 
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Fri Dec 26, 2003 1:24 am




5/19/2003
From the very first Press Release announcing the purchase, Embraer and USAirways have said the aircraft are going to be flown as USAirways Express......anyway, here is an exerpt from the Embraer press release.......

EMBRAER 170 TO BE “BACKBONE” OF US AIRWAYS EXPRESS FLEET

US Airways President and CEO David Siegel said the EMBRAER 170, which the airline ordered last week, will be a foundation of growth for the company in the future, during a press conference held today on the eve of the Regional Airline Association (RAA) annual convention, scheduled to take place in Phoenix, AZ, from May 19 to May 21.
“The trend in the regional market is to larger aircraft with larger, mainline-like cabins, and this is a phenomenal cabin,” Siegel told journalists at the annual Regional Airline Association meeting. “This aircraft family will be the backbone of US Airways Express fleet going forward.”




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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Fri Dec 26, 2003 1:32 am

They do not have that many long haul flights compared to other majors.

Actually US serves quite a bit of European destinations from its hub at PHL.

LGW
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Frankfurt
CO / LIRF), Italy">FCO

As well as several destinations in the Carribbean, while they do not serve Asia like UA/AA/NW/CO do they do have signifigant "long-haul" operations and I think that will only increase as the additional A330's roll in.

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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Fri Dec 26, 2003 1:46 am

A bit of an obscure question, but what terminals will the 170's operate out of at the hubs? Terminal F at PHL and Terminal E at CLT are dedicated Express terminals, but will they be able to handle these taller, larger jets? Or will they come into the mainline terminals?

Also, I think we've cleared up the question about the exterior titles, but what is the consensus on seating (one/two class)?

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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Fri Dec 26, 2003 4:51 am

Rthrbeflying86: this should clear things up:

"US Airways also has placed firm orders for 85 Embraer 170, 70-seat, dual class aircraft, with the first delivery scheduled for November 2003 to MidAtlantic Airways, a regional jet division of US Airways, Inc. US Airways has the option to convert the Embraer 170s to Embraer 175s with 76 seats. All Embraer 170 deliveries are to be received by September 2006."

-this is from the may 12, 2003 us airways press release
 
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Fri Dec 26, 2003 5:37 am

I think US Airways accelerated delivery, all 85 are scheduled to be on property by December 2005 (or so I was told in a meeting with them).
 
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RE: US Airways Express EMB-170s

Fri Dec 26, 2003 12:31 pm

Larger jets can be accomodated in Terminal F at PHL. Air Tran had a few gates there when it first opened and used DC-9s and 717s there.
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Fri Dec 26, 2003 12:50 pm

I think Capt078 said it--you can call it what you want but if the Capt.'s are making $70k a year and the FO's are making $40k, it sounds like a regional to me.

This is the alter ego airline for USAir mainline. Does anyone in their right mind think the 737's will stay on the property once the 170's are up and functioning? Siegel will downsize mainline and up-size MAA. I feel sorry for my friends who are clinging to the bottom of U's list or already furloughed(for the second time). And if things get too tight look for the 'bus fleet to dwindle. (Yeah, yeah, I know why would they get rid of a long-range narrowbody. Just watch and wait.)TC
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