eric
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How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:23 am

How does an airplane cross the ocean? I mean those planes who's range can't make it across the ocean? Say a plane from Airbus that is to be delievered in America? I've seen the photos of the A380 hybrid that Airbus use for transport, do they dismantle in Europe and send over like furniture from IKEA? Any answers would be appreciated very much.

Thanks,

Eric
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OPNLguy
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:31 am

In a nutshell, these kinds of aircraft either "hop" their way across making lots of stops at out-of-the-way places, or install additional fuel ("ferry tanks") to make them capable of longer ranges.

I've run some 737-300s over from Europe a time or two, and we've stopped at Keflavik and Frobisher Bay, and then Seattle.

As far as ferry tanks go, I seem to recall some pictures in the a.net database of a 717 that had some....

This topic has come up before, and I'm sure a rearch would turn up some more info...
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EMBQA
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:33 am

They just fly them..........Very few aircraft lack the range to cross any body of water around the world.

We just sent a REX Saab 340 on its was to Austrailia. They flew BNA-LGB-HNL-Fiji-Sidney. Long range tanks are added for the longer legs.
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markyboy
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:34 am

Without any pax/baggage and cargo and with winds many aircraft can make it transatlantic. Usually they fly routes that involve fuel stops or in some instances they fit additional fuel tanks inside the aircraft where the seats go. Airbus use Prestwick Airport near me to gas and go before delivery to the US and will sometimes make further stops in either Iceland, Canada or the US before they reach their ultimate destination.

The A380 hybrid that you refer to is actually a modified A300. Kind of like IKEA aircraft manufacturers have component parts build elsewhere for final assembly at one particular place, they don't however deliver "flat packed" for assembly by their customers which is just as well as it's hard enough to build an IKEA chest of drawers let alone an airliner LOL.

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pilotntrng
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:38 am

A buddy of mine flies the King Air, I believe it's a 200 , and he took it from New York to Iceland and from Iceland to Norway two years ago. He landed in Iceland to pick up more fuel and then it was back to the air. Im sure they stop for fuel along the way on delivery flights or add additional fuel tanks as OPNLguy said.
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:41 am

What's the routing for the South African CRJ's? Montreal-Johannesburg has got to be a long trip, also SAA operates JS41s, that's a long delivery trip too.
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:41 am

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eric
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:48 am

aw, thanks a lot. so i take it they store the seats in luggage room (or whatever its calles)?

thanks

eric
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Sun Dec 21, 2003 11:27 am

Am I right to say that sometimes the interiors are fitted out locally?

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ha763
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Sun Dec 21, 2003 4:41 pm

All HA did was flip the seats over onto another row. Here you can see the removed seats flipped over on another row.


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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Sun Dec 21, 2003 7:11 pm

No big deal really. When I was an avid spotter in the 70s, I used to regularly log deliveries of small single engined aircraft and light twins such as Cessna 172s, Beech Bonanzas, Cessna 421s etc as they staged through Shannon on their way from the US to Europe. On one occasion I remember logging two Britten Norman Islanders going in the opposite direction (Israel to the Caribbean).
 
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Sun Dec 21, 2003 7:40 pm

A little off topic. I recall reading here that Large aircraft like 747's are not simply ferried empty from Seattle. The space is used to ferry food and medicine destined for third world countries, free of charge of course. It's a nice gesture. Virgin carries employees as a reward or by some kind of lottery.
 
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Sun Dec 21, 2003 7:42 pm

2 Questions:

1. How do they get those tanks into the airplane? They look much bigger than any door.
2. Does all the commercial aircraft manufactured so they can have additional fuel tanks? Or did they have to change the fuel system of the aircraft?

 
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Sun Dec 21, 2003 10:11 pm

Years ago when Pan Am took over National, I was told that to get the 727's across the pond they stripped everything from the inside they could, loaded extra tanks, and flew up over Newfoundland-Greenland-Iceland and on into LHR.
 
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Sun Dec 21, 2003 10:40 pm

On most airliners the tanks are not needed, Hawaiian's 717's are a special case, but you usually only see extra tanks installed on small aircraft.

Even Australia is accessable from the US with enough stops, just have to go down through Alaska Russia and Japan
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Sun Dec 21, 2003 10:48 pm

Bistro1200, I've seen pictures of SAA's CRJ's in AMS, FRA and/or MUC, so they'll fly them through Europe, which makes the whole thing quite manageable... what I would like to know is how they get the Embraers to South Africa - do they fit tanks and fly them across the South Atlantic, or do they also send them through North America and Europe?
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Mon Dec 22, 2003 12:49 am


If you search the Trip Reports Forum, you´ll find a report written by Fly-K in which he describes the multi-stop delivery flight of a CRJ to Eurowings in Germany.

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ha763
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Mon Dec 22, 2003 8:32 am

The tanks are not really that big and can fit through the 1L door. I've seen them up close and if I remember correctly, they are about 4-5 feet long and 2-1/2 feet wide. You can see in the pictures that the 717 has an access panel inside that allows the tanks to connected to the existing fuel system.
 
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:13 am

When the Canadian government baught the cormarant helicopter (Eh101/Merlin) they flew them from westland in england then stopped at aberdeen then flew on stopping at other out of the way places so even a helicopter can cross a pond !!!.
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:30 am

EMBQA,

Please forgive my ignorance, but where is Sidney and why have I never heard of a country called Austrailia? My geography is usually pretty good.

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SkydrolBoy
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Mon Dec 22, 2003 10:42 am

The company I work for has sent several Convair 580's to New Zealand, we install two 1,000 gallon fuel bladders in the A/C along with some long range navigation equipment. The A/C can then fly from CYLW to Hawaii (18 hrs), from Hawaii to American Samoa (16hrs), And then on to New Zealand(15hrs). All told the trip takes 3 days.
 
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RE: How Does An Airplane Cross The Ocean?

Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:29 pm

Quantas, he just made a couple of typos, he means Sydney, Australia. (SYD)

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