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SAS Routes To Balkans?

Thu Dec 25, 2003 11:40 am

When did SAS begin and end service to Belgrade/BEG and Pristina/PRN from CPH? Why were these routes discontinued so soon after being started? Are these seasonal routes that SAS will fly again or are they suspended indefinitely?

Thanks for any information you can give.
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RE: SAS Routes To Balkans?

Thu Dec 25, 2003 7:54 pm

These services are not SAS routes, but Snowflake, SAS' lo-co subsidiary. BEG is currently served twice weekly (mo,fr) and PRN once weekly (th). Snowflake operate four 737s, but only two of them are painted in Snowflake c/s.

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RE: SAS Routes To Balkans?

Fri Dec 26, 2003 2:36 am

Thank you for the information GOT. Seeing that the SK 738 photo in my new topic starter is dated 19 Dec 03 at BEG, it seemed strange to me that I was unable to find CPH-BEG or ARN-BEG non-stops operated by SK when I did a search in Sabre for every day from 26 Dec - 31 Jan for both routes, as well as CPH-PRN. All I could find were flights with interline transfer connections, mostly through VIE or FRA.

More questions on the subject of SAS/Snowflake service to the Balkans:

-Are all Snowflake flights to BEG and PRN from CPH, or are some from ARN?

-Since BEG and PRN are operated by Snowflake, does this mean that demand on these routes is primarily from Visting Friends and Relatives (VFR) pax?

-Does Snowflake have its own 2-letter airline code? (could not find it in Sabre)

Thanks for any further information you can provide.

 
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RE: SAS Routes To Balkans?

Fri Dec 26, 2003 2:55 am

SAS will begin service to Croatia in the spring. From CPH-ZAG and I think CPH-DBV.


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RE: SAS Routes To Balkans?

Fri Dec 26, 2003 3:06 am

Snowflake operates ARN and CPH departures for BEG in addition to the higher frequency flights with JAT. I did not hear any news of Snowflake suspending both routes, however, since the low-cost Scandinavian airline entered the market, JAT Airways has lowered its prices to both destinations.

Because PRN has one weekly flight with Snowflake, i would expect it to be from ARN. I may be wrong through.

BTW, does Snowflake flight to any other Balkan destinations other than to Serbia and Montenegro?
 
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RE: SAS Routes To Balkans?

Fri Dec 26, 2003 3:36 am

Snowflake operates both ARN-BEG and CPH-BEG two times weekly!

Pristina is at the moment operated once a week from CPH but will increase to two times weekly from April 2004. They do not operate ARN-PRN.

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RE: SAS Routes To Balkans?

Fri Dec 26, 2003 5:18 am

SAS low cost arm Snowflake operations to the Balkans are

Stockholm - Athens 2 weekly
Stockholm - Belgrade 2 weekly
Stockholm - Split 1 weekly (starting in march 2004)
Copenhagen - Athens 2 weekly
Copenhagen - Belgrade 2 weekly
Copenhagen - Split 1 weekly (starting in march 2004)
Copenhagen - Pristina 1 weekly (2 weekly from march 2004)
Copenhagen - Sarajevo 1 weekly (2 weekly from march 2004)
Copenhagen - Skopje 1 weekly

The current snowflake fleet is of 4 B737-800. LN-RPM, LN-RPN ,LN-RCX and LN-RCY.only LN-RCX and LN-RCY are painted in snowflake colours.All 4 aircraft are in euro configuration and have 151 seats. It also happens when needed that other SAS aircraft fly on behalf of Snowflake.In most cases they use other 738 (domestic version 179 seats) but also a occasional 736.

Snowflake doesnt have its own 2 letter code but most snowflake flightnumbers start with a 8.
Flights to Sarajevo ,Skopje,Belgrade and Pristina are primarly VFR pax,and flights to Split and Athens are mixed VFR and holiday pax

CB777 : the only destinations to Croatia that snowflake is starting at this time is a one weekly flight to Split from both ARN and CPH.however more destinations may come in the future.

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RE: SAS Routes To Balkans?

Fri Dec 26, 2003 6:56 am

CB777: The CPH-ZAG will be operated by SAS mainline - 4 times a week with Q400 starting from the end of March 2004.
 
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RE: SAS Routes To Balkans?

Fri Dec 26, 2003 11:45 am

I am sure that SAS and Snowflake should have more success to Split and Zagreb, since Croatia Airlines does not fly to any Scandinavian destination. The same can be said for Sarajevo. Perhaps starting with 4 weekly flights to Zagreb is excessive. Nevertheless it is clear that SAS (Snowflake) is attempting to saturate the Balkan market.
 
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RE: SAS Routes To Balkans?

Sat Dec 27, 2003 4:02 am

Just a correction to my reply above. I think the four weekly flights between Copenhagen and Zagreb is relatively feasible, provided its with the De Havilland, as opposed to the Boeing 737-800.

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RE: SAS Routes To Balkans?

Sat Dec 27, 2003 5:19 am

One of the reasons I enjoy studying timetables for patterns of airline service is learning the primary reason(s) "why" a particular airline flies bewteen two points.

Given SAS/Snowflake's present focus on the Balkans and JAT's historic focus on service between BEG and ARN/CPH/GOT, are Denmark and Sweden home to large populations of expatriates from the former Yugoslavia -- thus the strong demand from VFR pax on Scandanavia-Balkans routes?
 
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RE: SAS Routes To Balkans?

Sat Dec 27, 2003 5:50 am

I believe there is quite a big market for VFR traffic between Scandinavia and the Balkans. In the early 90's many refugees came to Scandinavia, and hence want to visit friends and relatives now. I don't see such a big market for tourism, nor for business. This is also reflected in the fact that Snowflake and not SAS is operating these routes.

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RE: SAS Routes To Balkans?

Sat Dec 27, 2003 7:38 am

GOT: Most of the Yugoslavs came to Scandinavia (mostly Denmark and Sweden) between 60 s and 80 s. (Jat flyes to Copenhagen since 1963 and to Stockholm since 1969).Most refugees that came to Scandinavia returned when the war was over.The ones that stayed in Scandinavia did so because they have lost all they ever had.Not many of the passengers are refugees going to visit friends and relatives.
The swedish charter companies started flights to Croatia this summer and will start flights to Montenegro next summer.So there is quite a big potential for tourist market.i e many tourists would prefer to fly with snowflake to BEG and then arrange their own transport and hotel to the Montenegro coast.Much cheaper then going with the arranged package that travel agencies sell.Also there is quite a big business market now that the situation is stabile.
Belgrade and Zagreb are very nice cities just waiting to be discovered when people get tired of Budapest and Prague.So i wouldent be surprised that in the nearer future SAS takes over some of the snowflake flights
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