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This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sat Dec 27, 2003 7:08 pm

...have you ever seen anything smaller ? and no, it isn't a model.

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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sat Dec 27, 2003 7:26 pm

What's the MTOW? The pilot's body weight and few drops of 100LL?
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sat Dec 27, 2003 11:48 pm

LOL.. I agree, totally nuts.. also probably the best window seat going...
 
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sat Dec 27, 2003 11:52 pm

What a precious little mini bird.  Smile
 
voodoo
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sun Dec 28, 2003 1:33 am

Pilot could wear a parachute and not need to leave the a/c in an emergency!
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sun Dec 28, 2003 1:38 am

I was looking at how large proportionately the trailing edge devices are.
15 kt Vr?
 
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sun Dec 28, 2003 1:40 am

It is called a Krikri and is a French design AFAIK. It uses two lawnmover engines and is the smalles twin in service. The pilot needs a shoehorn to get in.
Funny stories concerning the Krikri:
Pilot approaches a busy airport. Tower controler doesn´t recognize the type and when the pilot tells him it is a twin, the controler thinks it is something like a Beech Baron and clears it ahead of other single engine planes.

2)
Out of a newspaper: Pilot of a Krikri got fined in France for a traffic violation. Apparently he landed on a GA field w/o a restaurant, got hungry but didn´t want to walk to the next village. He took the wings off the plane and rode it down a highway when he got stopped by the Flic´s.

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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sun Dec 28, 2003 1:42 am

We have another one based at LFLE :


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The pilot 'flying' that one is quite of a crazy guy, his last turns before final are usually at a 90 deg bank !

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Sun Dec 28, 2003 1:42 am

Are you quite sure it is not one of these remote-radio-controlled toy planes? Big grin


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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sun Dec 28, 2003 2:01 am

It appears to be a two-stroke, judging by the expansion tube exhaust.
Anyone know if it burns pre-mix?

Can you open the canopy in flight to yank on a starter rope?

Can it maintain any kind of altitude on one engine?

Is it factory-built or a kit?
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Sun Dec 28, 2003 2:08 am

AFAIK it is a homebuilt, but not a kit. All you´ll get is a set of drawings.
Sorry I msspelled the name: it is Cricri for Cricket
Try www.cricri.co.uk

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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sun Dec 28, 2003 2:09 am

It is a "pressurized aircraft"??? AHAHAHAHA  Smile
 
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sun Dec 28, 2003 2:28 am

Well if you look at the registration, the P after the F means it is home built and not factory built aircraft. Now, it does not say whether it is a kit or a full homebuilt.
And yes, it is equipped with two-stroke engines

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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sun Dec 28, 2003 2:46 am

The Bud Light Microjet was about that size. That was nuts too.....
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sun Dec 28, 2003 2:51 am

 Innocent I think they should stretch it and add two more engines, just think of the extra cargo, range and possible second deck.  Innocent

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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sun Dec 28, 2003 2:56 am

Acc. to the history the designer wanted to build the smallest possible man carrying plane. He planed to use a single 20hp two stroke engine. He couldn´t find the right engine, so he used two 9 hp chainsaw engines instead...

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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sun Dec 28, 2003 3:34 am

I wish I had one!! Insane? Yes!!! But what a view you get, huh!!
what's it range?

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Sun Dec 28, 2003 4:07 am

I like the fact that it's multiengine. I have seen model aircraft flown by others that are bigger than that! I bet it must be fun to handle it!

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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sun Dec 28, 2003 4:10 am

Well, this guy made himself a Turbine-powered version:

Noted French pilot Nicolas Charmont has installed 2 AMT Olympus
turbines in his Cri Cri together with AMT on-board automatic
start-up units and individual EDT's.
The Cri Cri weighs 170 Kg, and should have enhanced
performance withover 36 Kg of thrust available.
The Cri Cri has made his maiden flight in the weekeind of 7-8 March.
Top speed at this flight was 240 km/hour (150 mph). Flying with
only one engine the speed is still 160 km/hour (100mph).









For info on this engine [which really is a model turbine for RC model jets]:
http://www.amt.nl/

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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sun Dec 28, 2003 4:49 am

Imagine you´re calling to ATC that you´re flying a twin jet!  Laugh out loud

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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sun Dec 28, 2003 5:14 am

There was actually a good article in Flying or another of my aviation magazine's about a guy who actually built multiengine time in a Cri-Cri. He flies the heavy iron for a big airline nowadays...his scheme for cheap multi time actually having worked.

He also related that the plane could not sustain level flight on one engine, and that they were very unreliable. He said he had something like 10-12 inflight engine failures in it over the course of about 500 or so hours, as I recall.

I've seen some nice Cri-Cri's at Oshkosh. They're pretty cool little planes.
 
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Sun Dec 28, 2003 5:50 am

Sweet, if i get one of those i can build up my multi turbo time.
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sun Dec 28, 2003 6:00 am

I don't know what's so insane about it... I bet it would be fun to go up in one.
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sun Dec 28, 2003 9:50 am

I don't know why this never occured to me before but... how does the Cricri perform with one engine out?  Nuts
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Sun Dec 28, 2003 10:36 am

Ask the forum user Cricri that question Suspen  Big grin  Laugh out loud
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Mon Dec 29, 2003 1:02 am

So, is it the smallest one around or not ?!?
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Mon Dec 29, 2003 1:45 am

I think there is this little single engine in the Udvar-hazy museum.It looked so small I thought it was just a model....
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:33 am

well hell ill strap on a third lawn mower engine so it can take off from the back yard and ill be gone every other day with it!


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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Tue Dec 30, 2003 3:53 am

How much does it cost?
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Tue Dec 30, 2003 3:57 am

What A342 did he get the turbine engines off anyway?  Big grin
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:13 am

Starrion,

Those are acutally the new GE90-0.036B! Big grin
 
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:36 am

Imagine you´re calling to ATC that you´re flying a twin jet!


Man i want one of those!Any1 think it might soon appear in a new james bond movie?btw how does it react to some bullets?


why not strap 2 more mini turbine engines on it and try to land at a small GA airport,when you tell ATC(if there even is one...)the number of turbine engines,they will freak out Big grin
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:30 am

It is a "pressurized aircraft"??? AHAHAHAHA

Only when the pilot farts.......
 
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:46 am

What is the cruising speed for that little fella?
 
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:34 am

That'd be sweet that when you're done, you can take it apart and throw it in your trunk!

 
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:40 am

Does anyone know if in th US these would be considered ultralights or would they actually be experimental aircraft requiring a pilot license?

Anyone know how much it costs to build one?  Big thumbs up
 
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Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:22 am


The prop version is often 'launched' from a Toyota 4X4 at some speed at some smaller UK airshows!
Would have to be pretty brave to do that!Its SO small.
 
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Tue Dec 30, 2003 12:16 pm

I was very impressed with those little jet engines. I wanted to buy one myself for my own little ultralight. But after doing some research I discovered, to my dismay, that they are not practical for ultra light applications. The price of around 4000 Euros wasn't the major drawback.

Both of those engines in that photo produce enough power to get the cri-cri airborne and in stable flight. The wing on the cri-cri allows that thrust to produce a speed of around 150 mph. Unfortunately, your gas tank will run dry in minutes. Each engine gobbles up about a 1/2 liter of fuel per minute! The compressor ratio on the biggest engine is only about 4 to 1 which means that it produces little thrust for the amount of gas going in the combustion chamber. A jet engine on an modern airliner, or example, has a compressor ratio more like 30-40 to 1 and most of the thrust comes from the cold air induction fan with only about 25% coming from the exhaust gas flow. On these tiny model jet engines, however, the only thrust produced is from exhaust gases, which isn't much, especially if you're not compressing the air more than 4:1 to begin with.

These model jet engines are weak, noisy, and fuel guzzling for their anemic thrust output. If they could only get the compressor ratio up there, and perhaps an induction fan on a shaft, then this type of engine would revolutionize the ultra light market. Hopefully it's only a matter of time before we can get an affordable turbojet engine writ small. I'd love to get rid of my prop.

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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Tue Dec 30, 2003 12:48 pm

Since the jet version is a jet...do you need a type rating for that one???

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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Tue Dec 30, 2003 2:05 pm

For anyone interested in making a project jet engine at home:

build one at home

But it will use lots of gas!
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Etops?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 3:19 pm

Can you get ETOPS certified on this one with the jet turbines? Could a third tail engine be added for distance?  Big grin As it is a French product, I take it that Airbus is behind it right?  Smile
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:08 pm

Do we have to flax the thrust for departure for the best efficiency? Big grin
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RE: This Aircraft Is Insane :-)

Wed Dec 31, 2003 7:24 pm

...as per the jet type rating...the pilot developing the jet version DID need to get one, so he did a couple of hours in an old Fouga Magister (used for flying displays), and voila ! Big grin
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