jhooper
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Delta MD-11 Retirement

Sun Dec 28, 2003 3:10 am

I'm sure the retirement of the MD-11 won't be quite as bittersweet as the 727 or L-1011, but is anything special planned at Delta for when the last MD-11 gets back from NRT? Will employees load up the thing and fly out to VCV?
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Thrust
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement

Sun Dec 28, 2003 3:29 am

The last Delta MD-11 retirement will be on the day of New Year's Eve, December 31st, 2003. After that, the MD-11s, which are used mainly on the ATL-NRT route, will be succeeded on the route by the Boeing 777-200ERs. Yahoo! It was quite a tragedy seeing N802DE's career end with an accident. The Delta MD-11s were fantastic aircraft. I will miss these giant tri-jets. BTW, Jhooper, this topic has been discussed many, many times before. I, in fact, made a post about this very topic.

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ConcordeBoy
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement

Sun Dec 28, 2003 3:31 am

good riddance to bad rubbish.....


but is anything special planned at Delta

Hopefully something that involves sledgehammers  Laugh out loud
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AMM744
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement

Sun Dec 28, 2003 3:47 am

good riddance to bad rubbish.....

What a totally stupid meaningless comment to make about a superb aircraft which I might add is every bit as good as the flying sausage you are obsessed with C'Boy.

 
PVD757
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement

Sun Dec 28, 2003 3:50 am

N803DE (now operated by World Airways) happens to be parked at PVD right now...!!!
 
rjpieces
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement

Sun Dec 28, 2003 3:59 am

AMM744.....Every bit as good as the 777? I hope you are joking!  Smile

The MD-11 is a pretty aircraft but it was never a success...It entered the market much earlier than the A340 and 777, thus by the time the latter two planes arrived they were much more technologically superior. It had three engines which were sort of a dud since everything became "Twin or Quad." Many pilots found it sluggish and hard to maneuver as well. Also, the cost of operating a 777 is far lower than operating an MD-11.

And finally, which aircraft is replacing it?! You don't see MD-11s replacing 777s out there!

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ConcordeBoy
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement

Sun Dec 28, 2003 4:07 am

about a superb aircraft which I might add is every bit as good as the flying sausage you are obsessed with

so superb that nearly every pax airline rushed to get rid of it in ten years or less...?

methinks your reality check just bounced, my friend  Laugh out loud
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UAL747
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement

Sun Dec 28, 2003 7:10 pm

Eh Concordeboy....

The MD-11 is a deathtrap, and not as advanced as the 777, BUT, I think it's one of the most beautiful aircraft ever built.

"Many pilots found it sluggish and hard to maneuver as well."

While I've also heard that the MD-11 maneuvers like a 20,000 gal swimming pool, I have to say that it actually has a higher combined thrust/weight ratio than most versions of the 777-200ER. The 11 is a rocket.

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MD11Engineer
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement

Sun Dec 28, 2003 8:57 pm

The problem of Swissair flight 111 has been traced back to faulty and badly routed wiring of the on-board-casino system. There are some speculation that there was corruption connected to it´s installation by a crooked company without aviation relations in first place.
By now the MD-11 is a reliable aircraft, of course, pilots and mechanics have to understand it´s systems. The systems are verymuch interconnected, much more than on any A/C I´ve ever worked on. You can´t do troubleshooting by experience from other planes anymore, you have to go by the book and you have to study it.

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POSITIVE RATE
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement

Sun Dec 28, 2003 10:08 pm

The MD-11 is a deathtrap, and not as advanced as the 777, BUT, I think it's one of the most beautiful aircraft ever built.


C'mon it aint exactly a deathtrap. Just because of Swissair 111 the plane has a bad reputation but that was just 1 accident. Is the 737 then also a deathtrap because of the rudder jamming in flight?
 
UAL747
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement

Sun Dec 28, 2003 10:17 pm

The deathtrap comment was tongue in cheek. It's a safe aircraft, and I finally got to fly on one, even if it was only ATL-DFW. Such a stellar looking craft.

UAL747
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ORDagent
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement

Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:37 am

When I worked for AA they were rolling out the MD11. We called it the Scud. It was just like the missile. It took off when it felt like it. Landed at places where it wasn't supposed to and only really worked about half the time. As an agent we were happy it at least wasn't a DC-10 since it was even more unreliable. We all hoped for a 767 to Europe since it was by far the easiest AC to get out of the gate on time. On occasion when the ground crew was loading the cabin water system they would accidentally overfill it which ended up flooding the F class cabin!
 
Cessna172RG
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement

Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:43 am

You know, you could say the same thing about the DC-10 when it first came out. Remember that faulty cargo door that caused several crashes? As my memory recalls, whole fleets of the DC-10 were grounded until it was fixed. And guess what? They're still flying today...
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gigneil
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RE: Delta MD-11 Retirement

Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:41 am

The MD-11 is a deathtrap. Its unstable on approach, due to the tiny fin and the not-entirely-rock-solid stabilizing software. Swissair's IFE was just one more nail in the coffin.

It also NEVER made good on its performance promises, even the extra tanks still fell short of original specs.

It is, however, a rocket. And that's why cargo lines love them. They have a huge uplift and, after all, are Douglas planes. Built like tanks.

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