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Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 5:57 am

Hi to all again!

If a little Airbus like the A319 has a range much smaller than the width of the Atlantic Ocean, and these planes are manufactured in Europe, How can you see a A319 flying in the USA? How can the plane reach that country from Europe? Stupid question? I hope it is not.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 5:59 am

Well they would stop along the way to re-fuel..

For example..

TLS-PIK-REK-JFK or wherever in the USA

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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:00 am

Hi there

A little known fact about Airbus is that 40% of an Airbus plane is built right here in the USA. However, final assembly is in Europe. Usually, the airplanes stop over in Iceland for fuel, or make a stop directly before the Atlantic crossing and then directly after in Bangor or Newfoundland.

Many a time, too, Airbus planes get painted in Canada.

Hope this helps
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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:04 am

Some carriers add temporary fuel tanks. For example, I know Hawaiian Airlines added several fuel tanks into the cabin of their B717s for the flight from the U.S. mainland to Hawaii and DC-9s to get from Hawaii to the U.S. mainland.

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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:09 am

People fly light twins and even singles across the north Atlantic via the routes above all the time. I've heard that the longest single leg is something like 545nm.

People have ferried single engine Cessnas from California to Hawaii. That is the longest bluewater leg on earth, meaning no dry land divert except origin/destination.

Comes down to either making some fuel stops or installing a temporary ferry tank.
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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:13 am

But with those extra tanks onboard, doesn't that effect the passenger capacity?
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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:17 am

No pax on ferry flights.
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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:17 am

Yeah, but they remove them when they get to the destination.
 
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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:18 am

The extra tanks are removed after the ferry flights are completed.
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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:22 am

Thanks for clearing it up guys.

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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:24 am

Same way you see a Saab340, ATR---, or any other "short" range acft. Extra tanks in the cabin OR multi stop segments across the pond. Say, New York to New Foundland to Iceland to Ireland and on for instance. That's how a lot of the stuff we sent Allies in WWll got over.
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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:31 am

Im guessing the AC like the 319 could make it non-stop accross the atlantic anyway without and pax or cargo onboard.
 
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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:32 am

By the way, the A319 flew nonstop from Tolouse to Fort de France in the Caribbean on its way to Los Cerritos in Chile for the 2000 airshow. I believe they established a record for the type, but not sure how many auxiliary tanks were installed.
Still the ACJ or Airbus Corporate Jet is based on the A319 model and it is manufactured in a way that sacrifice space and payload to increase range and that aircraft can reach up to 6,500 n.m.

 
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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:07 am

I remember an article in Airways a few years back on the delivery flight of a F9 A319. The routing was XFW-KEF-BGR-PHX.
 
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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:10 am

The 319 can be delivered nonstop from the UK to the US, they stop somewhere in Scotland or Ireland for fuel then can make it to East Coast destinations and even some midwest.

The same question of course goes for 737s in Europe. The answer is the same.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 9:19 am

LH is using PrivatAir to fly all biz class A319 from Dusseldorf-Newark and 737-700's for two other Germany-USA non stop schedule routes.
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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 9:48 am

"Say, New York to New Foundland to Iceland to Ireland and on for instance. That's how a lot of the stuff we sent Allies in WWll got over."

Some of the larger aircraft (ie. B-17s etc..) flew directly from the US to bases in Britain via Iceland, Greenland etc..

However fighters and smaller aircraft like the P-51 were flown to Newark Airport in New Jersey, the Army Air Corps had taken over Newark Airport during WWII. Newark Airport was an ideal location for the Army Air Corps because Newark Airport is adjacent to the Port of Newark which is the largest Port on the East Coast of the US, aircraft were flown from bases in the US to Newark Airport where the aircraft were placed on ships for transport to Britain.
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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 2:47 pm

Does anyone know if they do the same things with aircraft such as the ATR?
 
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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 5:29 pm

Flying "short range" airliners across the North and South Atlantic has been going on for decades. As someone has already mentioned, even small twins and single engined light aircraft can fly the Atlantic on deliveries. In my plane spotting days back in the 70s we used to make special trips to Shannon to see the "exotic" deliveries which often staged (and still do) through there.
Prestwick in Scotland is still a popular airport for delivery flights.

Magazines like "Aviation News" usually feature pictures of the more interesting delivery flights through these airports - 737s, Airbus A320s (and derivatives), ATR42/72s, Islanders, Twin Otters, Beech 1900s etc are not unusual.
 
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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 6:34 pm

I think it's not only a question for short-haul airbusses to the US - it's for every short-haul plane: Boeing to Europe, Asia, Australia, Africa etc, Airbus to ...
 
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RE: Little Airbus Planes In USA, How?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 12:20 am

Interesting fact I learned while crossing the Atlantic, ZRH to CDG to JFK on Delta 763, last week. While in mid flight over the Atlantic and experiencing a significant amount of turbulence, the pilot said over the PA that because the plane was over the Atlantic we were unable to change altitude and would therefore have to ride out the turbulence. This was a significant amount of turbulence but it was in a large jet. Uncomfortable but what the **** are you gonna do? At least it was in a large jet. But, I can only imagine what the ride must feel like in a A319 or a B737 or similar small jet and not being able to change altitude to alleviate the bumpiness. Which is another question, why is the ride over the Atlantic so much more turbulent?

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