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Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:02 pm

I see that MD 11 is very popular in the Forum. It's of course a beautifull plane, but I can't understand why it has so many fans: it's was produced not in grat number, it's efficency isn't so good, the range could be better, etcc.

Wht's about?
 
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:18 pm



You said it yourself AZMD80, its a beautiful aircraft, quite unique, looks elegant..its powerful and there is just something about trijets that im attracted to...

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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:01 pm

I agree, there is some sort of factor which I can't really explain, just the beautifully unique look and feel to it, and of course the sound from those 3 engines : fantastic!!!

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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:08 pm

I reckon it got the best looking winglets  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:14 pm

simple question, difficult answer.
It is a great plane, one of the last built by MDD.
not only did it looks great, with its 3 big engines and its winglets, In my eyes it is the best plane, compared with the A330-300 and the 777-200.
I hope we will see this great bird in the air for a long time to come
 
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:14 pm



Do any of you have any SUPERSIZE MD-11 posters you are willing to sell??


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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:19 pm

Hi Md11lover,

I know your problem, but I solved it. I downloaded pictures from this great site and print them out at any size I want.
I also used them for model-making.
It will work and it is cheaper...
 
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:40 pm

Wonderful very big "WorldAir MD-11 cockpit" poster hanging in my room, not for sale tough, sorry...

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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:50 pm


The MD-11 is so popular because it is beautiful,...and also because it didn't get the success it deserves.Unfortunately the type was the victim of the too much commercial airlines CEOs and the no longer fashionable 3 engined maybe !!!

The MD-11 remains a beautiful bird for me.
 
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 10:41 pm

I have an 8' X 10' DL MD-11 poster in Widget Scheme, but I would not sell it. Sorry
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Tue Dec 30, 2003 11:52 pm

To some because its a beautiful Large Trijet that has some flare to it, unlike the boring twin engine planes that all look. The only reason we can tell the difference is because we are enthusiast. The same applies to the L10,D10,747 and 727 the rest are boring not including the real old school stuff like the 707 etc..
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 12:00 am

I made this question because I'm planing a shorth holyday, in march to NY. I'll try to find a MD11 on this route, but it's quite difficoult.
Delta retire MD 11 from and to Europe. In Winter Az use B767 and B777, and LX A330.

 
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 12:05 am

The MD-11 is the first widebody I ever worked on. While it can be a quirky airplane and aircraft such as the 767 and 777 are easier to work on it's still the best looking widebody IMO. It's nice to see it get a second life as a freighter. Since Douglas built a tough airplane it will be around for some time.
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 12:15 am

Sometimes, the most interesting and sought-after objects of affection are those that have gained minimal success. I would say that there are a bunch of us who have always seen the MD-11 as much more than the average airliner. The MD-11 mixes the past with the present while at the same time delivering a unique and fascinating story. Oh yeah, she looks great too.

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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 1:01 am

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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 1:08 am

@AZMD80

If you want a ride on the MD-11, your only "save" way is Finnair via Helsinki, because they have MD-11 only in their long haul fleet...

Oh, and I love the MD-11 as well, beautiful and amazing sight. You can call me a fan and so I have to do a plug  Wink/being sarcastic


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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 1:40 am

hey

i happen to like the MD's and the DC's very much. I especially love the MD-11 because it was the first plane i flew on. I was two months old and i flew from JFK-PHX and it was one of the first flights of a MD-11 it was a American. I also think that the MD-11 is beutiful and so so striking. The shape of the planes and the way the liveries just slip on to the airplane it is just wonderful!

But the MD-11 is not so popular in the Airline business :-(

i just love the MD-11 i also like the concorde and Airbuses but i love the MD-11 and the DC-10.

The MD-11 just opens my eyes in amezment when ever i see it in the air, on the ground, routating! it is just amazing!

I also like that little ramp on the tail engine.
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 2:01 am

It is uniquely beautiful and although its passenger career was short, it has turned out to be an exceptional cargo plane. I remember Lufthansa Cargo said the plane was retired from production too early, as there is no other cargo plane out there with the capabilities of the MD-11F. Of course, I just love the trijet design.

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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 2:58 am

For me... I was a kid when Swissair 111 happened... all i remember was it being a MD-11. This created some kinda phycological thing that nowadays, whenever i hear about an md-11 it just scares me in thinking its unsafe. Although i know its quite stupid and untrue but hey, it happens.
I must admit its very very beautiful but I would probably have trouble boarding one.

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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 2:59 am

I have always had good experineces with the MD-11. I like it. American used to have one daily service to DFW from ORD using a MD-11. I always picked that flight and American did not charge you extra for sitting in Business class
they treated as a coach fare. It was a very comforable flight. That flight has been replaced by a 777.

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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 4:59 am

You can count me to MD-11 "fan club" too... I love those trijets and LUCKILY our national carrier has decided keep them in service still many years! Finnair also had honour to fly MD-11s first commercial flight and I flew on their MD-11 only few weeks after that.. It was love on the first sight!

I have flown many times on B767, B744, A330, A340 and even still MD-11 is best of them and offers very comfortable ride! I know it is little bit more expensive to operate than its newer rivals, but you can easily compensate those costs by its far better cargo capability... That is also the reason why Finnair is so happy with them.

Long life for MD-11s...

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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 5:10 am

"If you have to explain they won't understand"

Just wild about MD-11s!!!

What a woman!!!!

There should be a no double exception for fine lady.

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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 7:58 am

In 1993 a World Airways MD-11 (N271WA) landed at Scott AFB and dropped off a passenger at Base Ops and returned to IAD. I was assinged to the C-21 squadron at Scott and our squadron was located on the second floor of the base ops building. The aircraft was simply massive compared to Hanger One. I was a pax on the very same plane in July 2001 flying from Frankfurt to BWI after spending some time in Kuwait courtesy of the US Air Force.
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 8:14 am

I love it, tho have never been on one  Sad

Just bought a great book dedicated to this Long Beach Beauty.

In UK >

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1857801172/qid=1072825650/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_2_1/026-7287844-9231602

I think it is the closest an airliner has come to looking like a starship with those fab winglets.
I should have worked on one, but the airline i was working for went under.
The 2 initial aircraft went to Delta.

Brilliant Tri-powered jet ,and i hope to get on one before they all end up at Fedex  Sad



 
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 8:40 am

The first jet I fell in love with was the DC10. You can imagine the excitement I had when a larger, more powerful version came out.. The MD11. IMO It's an incredible looking airplane. There's something about that tail mounted engine, those long, swept-back wings that don't end until they near the rear stabs, that mean looking nose, those cool approach lights that sit flush with the fuselage when they're off, but swing out when they're on.. so many things. Not to mention it's a rocket during takeoff and a comfortable cruiser. Someone else mentioned that it didn't get the success it deserved.. That's another reason I love it.  Big grin


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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 8:58 am

Because it's simply the best.

She is the first wide-bodied aircraft that I've ever flown (HEL-BKK) and therefore she offered an unforgettable moment of new experiences and hopes. I can still remember the excitement I had when boarding my first MD-11, especially the one that bears the beautiful blue and white colours of Finnair. The power, the amazing sound of the engines, her beauty.. all something other aircraft never can offer.

And, thank you my national carrier for bringing another MD-11 back to life.

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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 9:51 am

I'm a big fan of Tri-jets and the MD-11 is simply beautiful. The L1011/DC-10/MD-11 are amongst my favourite airliners. I like the MD-11 because it is the last of a rare breed. It is an airplane with a lot of character and fantastic looks unlike todays modern aircraft like the 777. Gimme a Tri-jet over a boring old twin anyday  Smile
 
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:39 am

Back when I worked for ASA, I flew on the MD-11 a total of 6 times (3 RTs), and will miss it once Delta retires them. The only MD-11s we'll get now @ ATL will be from FedEx, World Airways, Eva Air Cargo, Martinair Cargo, and Lufthansa Cargo.
 
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:57 am


UPS is going to start flying the MD11 into Ontario, according to my source around March or April. So I can take some nice photos of this sexy beast.


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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 12:25 pm

So which airlines still use the MD-11 on regular scheduled passenger routes? Just Finnair and Delta? Thanks.
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 12:37 pm

Why is the MD-11 so popular? To understand that, you would probably have to ask why was the DC-10 so popular. Even to this day, the DC-10 without a doubt is, was and forever will be my favorite aircraft. There was just something majestic about that plane. Growing up in close proximity to the East-West runways at the old Denver Stapleton Airport, I learned to differentiate wide body aircraft on take off just from the sound of the engine. The deep growl of the DC-10 was distinctive and unmistakable. The doors that rolled into the ceiling when they were opened, and closed with the pull of a lever. The DC-10 was ahead of its time. It was a beautiful aircraft that somewhat got overshadowed by the 747, and also by the safety issues which plagued the aircraft during its early years (several fatal crashes). However, even with all of those issues, for those of us in love with the widebody aircraft, the MD-11 (at least visually) was nothing but a new and improved DC-10. Unfortunately, the MD-11 never lived up to the expectations of most commercial carriers, but at least we can be assured we will see it for many years to come on the cargo circuit.
 
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 12:53 pm

I see that MD 11 is very popular in the Forum. It's of course a beautifull plane, but I can't understand why it has so many fans: it's was produced not in grat number, it's efficency isn't so good, the range could be better, etcc.

Wht's about?


You will also notice that every other airliner is also very popular in the Forum.

If you think the MD-11 is popular, wait til you hear from the L-1011 fans, the 747 fans, the 777 fans, the A340 fans, the Concorde fans, the 757 fans, the DC-9 fans, well the list goes on. So I could ask the same question. What's about?
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 1:10 pm

Some of the reasons I love the MD-11:

-It's a BEAST! It's so tough and the mean looking nose it shares with the DC-10 really looks awesome.
-As previously meantioned, it deserves more attention than it ever got flying pax over the years.
-Those winglets really look awesome on this aircraft.
-It's a three-holer!
-Just look at the picture.

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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 6:10 pm


RNOcommctr,

I think Delta will discontinue its scheduled passenger service on MD-11s shortly. If you want to fly them later on as a passenger, i think only Finnair, KLM and Varig will use them. Not too sure about KLM though.

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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 7:55 pm

Well, the others said it, the plane is just beautiful. So different, so elegant. For me it has major sentimental value. I found out about the plane in 1991 or 1992. I saw a painting of it in a book for young readers about airliners and was intrigued by this wingleted derivative of the DC-10. Then on June 23, 1992, I saw what was an MD-11 apparently, flying in the distance. The previous day I had been (as a member of the school choir) in the graduation of a girl I was madly in love with. So along the way, I also developed a liking for the already interesting MD-11. Too bad you don't see as many @ YYZ as in the mid-1990s.

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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 9:11 pm

KLM Still use the MD-11 on their network and according to some they will remain in service well beyond 2010.
Varig, Finnair , Martinair and Eva Airlines are also using the great bird. Then their is Thai Airways who had 4.
 
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:13 pm

Here is one MD-11 lover to join the club! I have always loved this bird especially because I have seen them so often in Finland. I love the whine of GE's engine NO.2. I hear it every time Finnair's MD-11 is taxying at the EFHK and I live 6kms from the airport!!! I don't know what's in this bird but there is something that gets my attention! I hope to see these aircrafts in air still manymany years!!! LONG LIVE MD-11!

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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:25 pm

I like MD-11 too... Sad it's not built anymore. I only flew two times on a MD-11. It was a Zurich-Bangkok-Zurich flight with Thai Airways in 1998.
 
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:44 pm

Who knows? The DC-10 was loved by many. I guess the MD-11, since it is simply just a stretched version of the DC-10-30/-40 with a few added features, reminds us of the DC-10. However, in my opinion, it is stunning because of the added features, like the winglets. In my opinion, its the winglets. The winglets give it identity, and its good looks. In addition, the MD-11 looks good in almost any livery. The extra undercarriage leg like the DC-10-30 probably helps make it seem more monstrous in size. This is just my opinion.
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Thu Jan 01, 2004 12:12 am

Sad to see Boeing closing down the MD-11 production , if they continued , perhaps more cargo airlines will operate them ? By the way slightly off topic , are there currently any MD-11 passenger operators has PTV installed in the aircraft ?


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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Thu Jan 01, 2004 12:18 am

Boeing closed down the MD-11 production a number of years ago, 9V-SVC, if I'm not mistaken. Also, no MD-11 lover I think would give a damn about fuel-efficiency. It's all about flight experience and exterior looks, in my opinion, to someone just fascinated with them. Now, if you are an owner of an MD-11, that's where fuel-efficiency should effect your love for the MD-11. The MD-11 just has something about its looks that is appealing to almost everyone. It is a beautiful plane. I think the love for MD-11s probably increases when it is vanishing, because people begin to become feisty to catch it before it winds down. I definently think more people love the MD-11 now than a few years ago.
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Thu Jan 01, 2004 12:22 am

9V-SVC
i dont think that there are any MD-11s with PTV's intalled in them. Finnair dosent have PTV's and i dont think the Deltas have them either but I heard some where that Varig was thinking about installing the 777 interior in the MD-11 and the 767-300s the 777 has ptv's intalled on the seats same with Deltas 777s. I dont think World has any PTV's istalled ethier. No DC-10's have PTV's ethier. KLM is intalling the new interior to there MD-11s which mean new color scheme, new seats, and new PTV's on the back of every seat.

also i heard from Airliner World that Aeroflot was looking into purchising 6 ex Swiss(swissair) MD-11 for cargo service and possibly one of them would be used for passenegr service.
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Thu Jan 01, 2004 12:23 am

Have all the Swiss / KLM MD-11's gone now in Europe ??  Sad

 
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Thu Jan 01, 2004 12:47 am

Boo25

KLM is going to opperate there MD-11s for 12 more year which is a big relief to me. Swiss still has three MD-11s left.
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Thu Jan 01, 2004 3:03 am

I am a tri-jet junkie. As far as the MD-11 goes, it's simply a beautiful aircraft. Yeah the production numbers sucked for the MD, but they also sucked for another beautiful aircraft that I know alot of people are fans of. The L-1011.

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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Thu Jan 01, 2004 12:26 pm

So which airlines still use the MD-11 on regular scheduled passenger routes?
Varig
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Fri Jan 02, 2004 12:17 am

If you ever see & hear the MD-11 takeoff, you will know why.

It is one of if not the most glorious sight in all commercial/civil aviation. It is so sad that some airlines have chosen to retire their fleets.

All hail to those who persist in flying this lovely bird!!!
 
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Fri Jan 02, 2004 9:50 am

I don't particularly care for the MD11 either way, but I do see its demise wistfully.

I think for me it's the nostolgia factor. The MD-11 reminds me of McDonnell Douglas, which harkens back to an era when there were more than 2 plane manufacturers building near-identical planes.
 
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Fri Jan 02, 2004 1:20 pm

It is a tradegy that Boeing rushed to close down the MD11 line. People have for years said that a few improvements to the wings would greatly increase fuel efficiency. While the fuel efficiency was not good it can carry more weight than the 777 and if you want to carry pax and cargo the MD11 was the plane to do it if you did not want to buy a 747-400.

To the Boeing / Airbus rivalry. Airlines quicker go to Airbus cause they can get what they want. Airbus has an a/c for every niche and Boeing does not and that's the truth.

If there is anyone working at Boeing reading this I came across an old copy of Air Transport Magazien which had an article of the proposed MD12 a double deck 4 engined aircraft. Why dont you all dust off those plans and offer it to the airlines as an alternative to the A380 or cause it was a Douglas design originally its being thrown out the door like every other Douglas plane design.

 
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RE: Why MD 11 Is So Popular?

Fri Jan 02, 2004 2:39 pm

777ER, the Saudi MD-11 is a VIP aircraft...
The MD-11s I'll miss most are the JAL J-Birds...  Sad
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