airmale
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How Effective Are These Airlines F/A's

Thu Jan 01, 2004 6:52 am

Im talking about Asian carriers with non-western female crews, who are supposed to be dainty and all the other stuff, "Singapore Girls" failed to handle their first crash in Taipei, PIA's panicked themselves when the planes landing gear collpased on touchdown in Dubai.

What about Iran Air, Air India, Biman, SriLankan, Royal Nepal, Thai, Malaysia, Vietnam Airlines, Myanmar Airways, Lao Airlines, the carriers of the tiny pacific Islands the ones in China and all the others cropping up daily, how well prepared are they for accidents especially since most wear ethnic-uniforms that would probably hamper efforts, Have you seen Vietnam Airlines F/A's flowing tops? South Asia's Sari's and the far Easts Sarongs, Iran Air's Hijab.

How well do they perform during training?

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PiedmontGirl
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RE: How Effective Are These Airlines F/A's

Thu Jan 01, 2004 7:15 am

Airmale, I've wondered the same thing myself. I remember being in a crew holding area in FCO and looking at a Singapore crew. It struck me that the male F/As in their trousers and flat leather shoes would survive very well. I could not help but wonder how the female F/As in their flowing garb and sandals would do. All that I could imagine was one of those dainty pedicured sandaled feet stepping out of a crashed airplane into smouldering ruins. There would be no protection at all from fire, smouldering objects, sharp objects or anything of the like.

I'm sure they do fine in training. They obviously do wonderful service. However, the mindset has to be on survivial for themselves and their passengers in an emergency.

The reason that F/As in the U.S. do not wear open shoes, like sandals, to work is for safety reasons. In a crash, the feet have to have some protection from fire, sharp or jagged pieces of metal, and the like. We also have to wear clothing that we can move freely in but which will not get in the way during an emergency.
 
SInGAPORE_AIR
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RE: How Effective Are These Airlines F/A's

Thu Jan 01, 2004 7:22 am

Safety is Singapore Airlines' first and top priority.

Training requires that Singapore Girls lift up their skirt with their hand and perform evacuation procedures. This is to allow more room for leg manoeuvre.

Sandals have since been replaced during takeoff and landing by shoes which do not slip off.
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NWAFA
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RE: How Effective Are These Airlines F/A's

Thu Jan 01, 2004 7:29 am

Singapore Air,

Could you please explain to us why the FA crew froze and left passengers on the runway accident? Every report I have read on the accident said the Flight Attendants FAILED horribly when it came to EVAC procedure.

I just flew with a Flight Attendant at my Airline (NWA) that was with Singapore and we talk about emergency procedures and he said that the training at Singapore was 99% SERVICE and 1% SAFTEY.
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PiedmontGirl
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RE: How Effective Are These Airlines F/A's

Thu Jan 01, 2004 8:17 am

NWAFA:

You know, I never thought of myself as serving passengers. I am not a servant. I always thought of myself as taking care of them.

Part of taking care of them means the ability and the assertiveness to toss them out of a crashed airplane if necessary.

There is no dichotomy between service and safety as so many airlines like to make. They go hand in hand and very often merge.
 
SInGAPORE_AIR
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RE: How Effective Are These Airlines F/A's

Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:37 am

NWAFA:

Have you got any quotes? And I don't mean by some British man who in a "calm British accent" ordered passengers to an exit.

"the training at Singapore was 99% SERVICE and 1% SAFTEY."

I do know that training lasts many weeks and is a mixture of Service and Safety and 0% concentrated on Saftey. Safety is top priority.
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CanadianNorth
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RE: How Effective Are These Airlines F/A's

Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:55 am

One good thing about Air Canada. There F/As arent the best in the world, some of em can be old bats. They aint the best when it comes to service but in an emergency youd probably be better off with them... It would be nice if the airlines had a mix, hired the good looking young ones but kept them on right through to a decent retirement. That way some would be better at serving the pax and others would be good at the safety end of things.

It all comes down to you can either have sexy young girls that make the flt funner, or older yet more experienced F/As that can accually do something other than panic in an emergency. I would prefer the safer route on this one.


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PiedmontGirl
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RE: How Effective Are These Airlines F/A's

Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:56 am

Singapore_Air

Sandals have since been replaced during takeoff and landing by shoes which do not slip off.

I meant to comment sooner, and it slipped my mind: I certainly do hope so. Everytime I see "Singapore" posted, the first thing I think about is one of those almost bare feet stepping into a smouldering something or coming down on a piece of sharp metal.
 
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RE: How Effective Are These Airlines F/A's

Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:58 am

PiedmontGirl, well, unfortunately that was true in cases  Sad
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RE: How Effective Are These Airlines F/A's

Thu Jan 01, 2004 12:52 pm

What about ...Air India.... how well prepared are they for accidents especially since most wear ethnic-uniforms that would probably hamper efforts

I think Air India's record speaks for itself.

The crew succesfully evacuated B707-437 VT-DJJ in BOM in 1982 with minimal loss of life despite the blocking of all exits except overwing exits.

The crew also succesfully evacuated B747-237 VT-EBO in DEL in 1990 with a fire raging, without a single loss of life and no serious injuries either.

Obviously the hull losses were not desirable but the crew proved that they have their house in order when the shit hits the fan.
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