nycfuturepilot
Posts: 773
Joined: Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:50 am

Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Thu Jan 01, 2004 5:13 pm

I Just flew on jetblue flight 350 and was amazed when they had the people in the front half of the plane board through the front door and people in the back board through the back door. This made the boarding process very easy, fast, but the best part was that i got to see the plane up close. Anyway, my question is WHY DON'T MORE AIRLINES DO THIS?


Also, has anyone else noticed that JetBlue has the best looking flight attendants?
Father, Son, HOYA spirit
 
m404
Posts: 1875
Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:43 pm

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Thu Jan 01, 2004 5:25 pm

Ramp Safety. You should have at least one person available to watch the pax leaving the bldg and another at the stairs. In todays climate management is too busy cutting employees to spare them. Pax also are in the way of ramp equipment and are in danger.

Southwest, use to at least, board thru the rear while deplaning thru the front and F/As madly trying to pick up the big hunks of stuff left behind while going up the middle.

Also inclement weather, hot, cold or wet, is a deterrent. Just not a real good idea in many cases. Also the extra stairways involved are just that much more a chance for an accident.

However I understand your feelings about seeing the acft "in person" and sometimes miss the old days of the tail loaders
Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
 
wpmike
Posts: 15
Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 1:00 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Thu Jan 01, 2004 6:06 pm

I am willing to bet M404 has gone up and down the rear steps on the Martin 4-0-4 aircraft a few times. I have too, that was 'boarding throught the back of the plane'. Also had opportunity to do same on 727 and DC-9 aircraft. God I'm old!
 
Bluewave 707
Posts: 2793
Joined: Thu Jun 07, 2001 8:21 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Thu Jan 01, 2004 7:44 pm

If the airport has no air-bridges, like LGB, KOA, to name some, they can do this. As M404 said, their has to be adequate staffing by the airline to provide that the pax stay away from the equipment. Those were the good old days ...

I can remember when HNL had no air-bridges ... how's about climbing stairs to board a 747, or DC-10? Think an A320, 727, 737, or MD80 are bad? 707s and DC-8s are in between.

Check this one out, fly JL in or out of KOA, and you WILL do that. There are two sets of stairs, front and back.

One thing is for sure, it definitely speeds up the turn-around time for the airline.  Smile
"The best use of your life will be to so live your life, that the use of your life will outlive your life" -- D Severn
 
Jaspike
Posts: 4843
Joined: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:40 pm

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Thu Jan 01, 2004 7:58 pm

I've boarded loads of times through the back, especially in the UK & Spain  Smile


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Dean Barnes



Josh
 
FinnWings
Posts: 633
Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:03 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:15 pm

Here at Helsinki almost all planes which are parked on remote stands are boarded through the front and aft doors. It is much more comfortable for passengers and also very efficient. I think that is very common elsewhere in the Europe too.

FinnWings
 
jmc757
Posts: 1205
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2000 3:36 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:29 pm

Ryanair will do this wherever possible. It speeds up embarking and disembarking so much, enabling quicker turnarounds. Ryanair believe in this system so much that I have even seen them be allocated a stand with an airbridge but stop short so they can steps on the front and back!!

As Jaspike said it is also routine in the Meditteranean holiday resorts, I boarded through the back steps this year on my TFS-BHX flight as it goes...

jmc757 Big thumbs up
 
necigrad
Posts: 173
Joined: Thu Sep 13, 2001 2:25 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:49 pm

I would think that this is all bad. I've seen jetBlue do this here in LAS. I see the potential for aircraft damage, pasenger injury, security risks.... Unless it's absolutly necessary, it's not a good idea IMO. Besides, if they would think about it, they're not going to get the plane loaded and fueled that fast anyway.
 
LJ
Posts: 4112
Joined: Wed Nov 17, 1999 8:28 pm

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Thu Jan 01, 2004 10:37 pm

I've boarded thru the back door of a TAM F100 (flying between Recife and Belem). For those familiar with the F100, this is the emergency exit (but TAM used this door to speed up boarding).

BTW at AMS we have a few air bridges where they can board thru the back and front. They use these air bridges to board MD11s, 747s etc. However a few airlines do not use this option when available.
 
Jj
Posts: 1189
Joined: Sun Jun 24, 2001 7:40 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Thu Jan 01, 2004 11:11 pm

in South America it is also very common to board ghrough the front or the back door. I always take the back door. Pretty nice walking under the wing of the jet  Smile .
 
bongo
Posts: 1783
Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2003 5:32 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 5:08 am

That's quite common in BOG's "Puente aereo" in all Avianca's MD-83
MDE: First airport in the Americas visited by the A380!
 
captaink
Posts: 3987
Joined: Wed May 23, 2001 10:43 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 7:07 am

It is so strange to see how amused people are about airstairs, and people like me who work on caribbean airports, know nothing else..  Smile

We you use two stairs on most jets for boarding and deplaning.

A320 - 1L and 2L
B737 - 1L and 2L
A319 - 1L and 2L
A310 - 1L and rearmost door
MD80 - comes with its own, but we use the foward and rear "under belly" stairs too.
B727 - 1L alone
B777 - 1L and 2L
B747 - 1L and 2L
B767 - 1L and 2L or 4L (according to the config, but we use the rearmost door whatever it is)
A330 - 1L and (rearmost door)

I think i just about covered the type of aircarft that serve our little airport. Email me for some pics since they are not the high quality Airliners.net needs.

dc9super80@hotmail.com

Captaink (Grenada)
There is something special about planes....
 
Simongkhon
Posts: 49
Joined: Mon Oct 20, 2003 2:43 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 7:29 am

Strange is the word, as Captaink put it. In south east Asia it's not uncommon to be bussed out to a remote stand when you fly domestic. Though I never really noticed, I'm sure there's almost always boarding front and aft, as I remember numerous occasions I've boarded aft.
 
Simongkhon
Posts: 49
Joined: Mon Oct 20, 2003 2:43 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 7:32 am

Oh. Nycfuturepilot, remember, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. lol.

 Big grin
 
pilot kaz
Posts: 4591
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2001 9:07 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 7:33 am

iv boarded a 757 from the back, Britannia airways
-
 
richierich
Posts: 3289
Joined: Sat Nov 04, 2000 5:49 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:06 am

JetBlue boards through the rear door at several of its cities, namely LAS, LGB and most or all of the Florida destinations.
Ramp safety is a prime consideration for where and when it is allowed. Obviously at a busy or cramped airport, it is not going to happen, thus it will never happen at JFK. Besides, the weather isn't up to it too often at JFK!
Personally, I like it. It DEFINITELY speeds up the boarding/deplaning and turn process. I also enjoy arriving at a nice warm city, walking out into the warmth, smelling the Jet-A as I walk on the tarmac - good stuff. I will also point out that other airlines do this at some airports and I think it is a great option where available. Hey, if you don't like it, then the front jetway is always open!
None shall pass!!!!
 
FLAIRPORT
Posts: 3863
Joined: Thu Oct 26, 2000 10:46 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:43 am

I believe that the jetway is open to all passengers who wish to board from there on B6.

Is the rear only for people seated in the rear of the plane?
How does jetBlue do the rear... I have not been able to see it through the windows at the DL terminal.


I'm hoping for my flight (in 71 days BTW  Smile) to JFK on B6 that I get to board from the rear!
NEXT FLIGHT: FLL-ATL-HPN on FL
 
richierich
Posts: 3289
Joined: Sat Nov 04, 2000 5:49 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:56 am

JetBlue boards from the rear of the aircraft for the rear rows.
For example, it will board rows 1-5 from the front door while simultaneously boarding rows 21-26 at the rear doors. It is a similar routing for exiting, although if you are quicky (and pushy) you could exit from the rear if you are seated in the forward part of the cabin. Depends on how much it means to you!!  Smile

A JetBlue hint for you: the rows from the exit rows back have more legroom than those forward of the exit rows, by an inch or two. I have not flown on a newly configured B6 aircraft, but I believe the pitch is quite good in the back half of the cabin.
None shall pass!!!!
 
jetbluefan1
Posts: 2860
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2003 8:39 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:01 am

"Also, has anyone else noticed that JetBlue has the best looking flight attendants?"

You caught onto that too? Yes, they definitely do have the most attractive flight attendants.

JetBlue also boards through the rear in FLL. I was in a Delta going to JFK, and I saw them using the staircase to deplane out the back. There was a flight attendant at the bottom of the stairs saying goodbye to everyone and guiding them to the terminal. There are also ground personnel doing whatever to the aircraft, so it seems like it's all pretty secure.

JetBluefan1
 
richierich
Posts: 3289
Joined: Sat Nov 04, 2000 5:49 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:11 am

I find it difficult to believe security is an issue for rear deplaning/boarding. It's not like people just randomly wander the ramp and board the aircraft! As for the passengers themselves, what are they going to do? Make a run for it?

The role of the ramp agent is to look out for any strange activity (very unlikely) but more for safety. They would want to be sure the passengers stay between the cones or lines and that no ground equipment encroaches the boarding areas.
None shall pass!!!!
 
TransCon1976
Posts: 30
Joined: Mon Nov 17, 2003 12:11 pm

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 10:14 am

This is just another example of the common sense approach that jetBlue has taken to offer better service and quicker turn around times resulting in this industry’s lowest CSM. At airports where jetbridges are available, customers always have the option of waiting in their seat and utilizing the forward exit and Jetway. As an Inflight Crewmember, I can tell you that if given the option, customers will get off the plane the quickest way possible. They don’t want to wait in a long line to deplane or a long snaking boarding queue. I have NEVER heard a complaint from a customer regarding the use of air stairs in the aft.
 
airways6max
Posts: 474
Joined: Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:22 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:03 pm

I think it's a good idea. It would sure speed up the boarding process. I'm sure that most airlines would say it's too expensive and would cause security problems. Excuses, excuses...
 
deltairlines
Posts: 6876
Joined: Mon May 24, 1999 4:47 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:37 pm

Delta Shuttle, when they had 727s, would often use the installed airstairs in the rear for deboarding...helped speed up turnaround times.

Jeff
 
N751PR
Posts: 1210
Joined: Thu May 09, 2002 6:06 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:38 pm

I always went through this process for both boarding and deplaning in ILO. Very speedy especially when I want to get out and see my relatives. Big grin
"Ladies and Gentlemen it's happy hour. You will get two approaches for the price of one."
 
aussie747
Posts: 1005
Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2003 11:15 pm

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:51 pm

It all about Jet Blue, I am sure there are other airlines who do the same? In Australia Virgin Blue occasionally has you board via the aerobridge at the front and also via the ground to board to the rear of the plane.
 
User avatar
ramprat74
Posts: 1324
Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:01 pm

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 1:00 pm

We used to use the rear for deplaning and boarding on our United shuttle flights here in PDX. You need a person at the terminal and one at the plane at all times. I don't know how many times I saw people get off the plane and light up right below the wing and fuel pit. People are so stupid. Insane
 
717-200
Posts: 564
Joined: Mon Oct 09, 2000 1:29 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 1:07 pm

speaking of shuttle flights, does USAirways Shuttle still use the L2 door
for deplaning of their 319's and 20's at DCA and BOS?
72S 733 734 735 73G 738 742 752 763 E190 M82 M83
 
dinker225
Posts: 978
Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2000 9:18 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 1:08 pm

Rear airstair boarding is used at EGE on the 757's that come in. It is a great way to quickly turn the plane when it is running late. Something that happens alot up here with the always changing weather. I used the aft stairs today at EGE. After having to circle the airport for nearly 20 minutes waiting for the weather to clear it was a great way to quickly get off the plane and grab my bags.
Two rules in aviation, don't hit anything and don't run out of gas, cause if you run out of gas yer gonna hit something.
 
concord977
Posts: 1224
Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2004 1:43 pm

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 1:18 pm

717-200 -

Yes, both USAirways Shuttle and Delta Shuttle are using rear doors at DCA. USAirways uses the rear doors on all shuttle aircraft. Delta uses the rear doors on MD-80's, but not on 737's.
No info
 
L-188
Posts: 29881
Joined: Wed Jul 07, 1999 11:27 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 1:21 pm

At Reeve all the time.

That was because all of the Electras and 727's where Combis and carried freight up front.

Reeve didn't even bother leasing any gate space at Anchorage with Jetways.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
 
kevin752
Posts: 684
Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2003 3:18 pm

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 2:10 pm

I have boarded through the rear of an A320, A319, and a B737-200and 300. All the airbuses that I have boarded throught the rear were on Croatia Airlines and the 737-300 was Lufthansa and 200 was Croatia AIrlines. At this time all airports in Croataia do not have any air bridges. All the domestic flight that I have taken from FRA I have been bussed to an remote stand to board the plane.
"Keep Climbing"
 
N323ER
Posts: 125
Joined: Fri Mar 24, 2000 5:44 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 2:11 pm

what about those new dual jetways cool ha. Just think how they might work a A380
RYAN SCAIFE
 
777ER
Crew
Posts: 9855
Joined: Fri Dec 19, 2003 5:04 pm

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sat Jan 03, 2004 5:02 pm

Does DJ still let their guests who are up the back of the 737 board from the rear door?
Head Forum Moderator
moderators@airliners.net
 
Guest

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:18 am

In the dark early morning on December 26th, we disembarked Alaska Airlines flight 6 at Washington-Dulles from the rear of the plane, with a difference.

It seems that one of the nice Swissport people who contract ramp service had parked a baggage tug under the jetway at gate D23, the gate Alaska shares with BWIA. As the gate person tried to maneuver the jetway closer to the plane, they ran it over the tug -- overturning and crushing the tug.

The ensuing fuel spill brought the Dulles fire department -- three fire trucks in order to put sand over spilt fuel. Meanwhile we sat on the plane watching.

Eventually, airstairs were brought up to the rear left of the plane, and we disembarked. Alaska's employees became like worried grandparents -- fearing we'd forgotten how to walk on stairs. About fifty airport, airline, fire department, and Swissport people guided us into the lower level of D concourse and to the mobile lounge station.

I gather from the number of airport people just kibitzing that this is the most interesting thing to ever happen at IAD.  Smile

 
L-188
Posts: 29881
Joined: Wed Jul 07, 1999 11:27 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:21 am

I would be freaking out too.

One of you guys slip and fall and you just know you are getting sued Big grin
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
 
CanadianNorth
Posts: 3133
Joined: Sat Aug 24, 2002 11:41 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:39 am

I've boarded via the rear airstairs many times... Dont have much choice on a 37 when they have the cargo being loaded up front, Im sure its alot safer/easier/cheeper (can use the stairs that came with a/c instead of finding some) to send the pax off twards the rear door instead of getting them around the cargo equiptment then having them hike through the cargo hold to get to the pax cabin while their trying to slide those pallets around. Also 9/10 times there was no boarding bridges so one way or the other yer using them stairs, might aswell take the senic route and let the cargo handlers work in peace...



View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Kevin Wachter
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Robert M. Campbell




CanadianNorth
What could possibly go wrong?
 
Continental
Posts: 5222
Joined: Sun Jun 25, 2000 3:46 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sun Jan 04, 2004 1:51 am

When I fly out of Zagreb, Croatia, we usually board from the back, and others board from the front, it is fast and efficient. We even did it at MUC when we flew to ZAG on the BAe 146, it was quite nice. Boarding on stairs is fun!

co
 
EZYAirbus
Posts: 2318
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2003 4:57 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sun Jan 04, 2004 2:11 am

Hi I boarded easyJet flight twice on the same day through the rear door, LTN and EDI, no idea why at LTN only 33 on board!!!!


Glenn
http://www.glenneldridgeaviation.com
 
User avatar
KaiGywer
Crew
Posts: 11182
Joined: Sun Oct 26, 2003 9:59 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sun Jan 04, 2004 3:21 pm

I've noticed at MSP, DL will always park their MD80s with the back door (the one in the tail) open, do they actually use this one, or is it for the ease of the ground crew (cleaning the plane and stuff)?
“Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, an
 
sevenair
Posts: 1494
Joined: Sun Feb 04, 2001 7:18 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sun Jan 04, 2004 8:43 pm

I dont like rear boarding, its noisy, due to APU, and on the MD/Super 80 (or whatever u want to call them), the stairs go up in between the engines, which is very frightening!!!!
 
captaink
Posts: 3987
Joined: Wed May 23, 2001 10:43 am

RE: Boarding Through The Back Of The Plane

Sun Jan 04, 2004 10:05 pm

Boarding through the rear of the MD-83 is my favorite. I love hearing the loud APU's, and vibrating staris as you board, and the contrasting quiet as you step into the cabin. Gosh I miss the MD-83, no caribbean airline has them again, and it is unlikely that I would be on any of AA's own because the routes I fly with AA, are always flown by the 738, 757 or A300.
There is something special about planes....