galaxy5
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Airline Passengers Just Dont Learn

Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:30 pm

Geez you would think that with all the security measures and news people would just get on a plane and behave. here are some articles on pax behavior.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Jan/02/ln/ln12a.html/?print=on

First-class passenger tries to enter cockpit

By Treena Shapiro
Advertiser Staff Writer

A 31-year-old Tennessee man is in federal custody after trying to enter the cockpit during a Northwest Airlines flight from Detroit yesterday afternoon.

According to Department of Transportation spokesman Scott Ishikawa, the incident occurred about two hours before Flight 923 arrived in Honolulu. Ishikawa said a first-class passenger tried to enter the pilot's area. The passenger was subdued by a female flight attendant, who was assisted by two off-duty Northwest employees. No weapons were used and no one was injured.

State sheriffs arrested Brandon Gabriel Rines when the flight landed in Honolulu around 2:30 p.m. He was taken to the federal detention center near the airport and charged with interfering with a flight crew.

The FBI is investigating the case.


http://www.wtvynews4.com/news/headlines/561017.html

Pittsburgh woman is being held without bond after allegedly attacking a federal air marshal on a Northwest Airlines flight to Minnesota.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/1230phxknife30.html

A Florida man who brought a box cutter aboard a plane leaving Sky Harbor International Airport on Sunday said he used the tool to cut out magazine articles and thought it was permissible to have it on board.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001809109_passengerarrested06m.html

An ex-convict on a Honolulu-to-Seattle flight charged toward the cockpit, shouting that he wanted to see the pilot, and was subdued by undercover air marshals who were on board to monitor him, officials said

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RE: Airline Passengers Just Dont Learn

Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:42 pm

Shouldn't this be in the Civil Aviation forum ?
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galaxy5
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RE: Airline Passengers Just Dont Learn

Sat Jan 03, 2004 1:09 am

Not really, why not discuss it here? the civil av forumn is mostly about airplanes, routes and such.
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RE: Airline Passengers Just Dont Learn

Sat Jan 03, 2004 1:21 am

It's aviation-related and thus does not belong in the non-av.
Non-aviation is for discussing such topics as the care and raising of pet rattlesnakes or any 9/11, gay, gun-control, etc...threads.
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RE: Airline Passengers Just Dont Learn

Sat Jan 03, 2004 1:29 am


These passengers who have their arse kicked for stupitiy, in todays day and age we should all know better than to screw around on an airplane. When will these people learn, when I was flying out of Dallas I saw a guy try to bring a hammer and a screwdriver onto an American flight.
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RE: Airline Passengers Just Dont Learn

Sat Jan 03, 2004 1:47 am

So much for the argument proposed by some on this website that First Class passengers are docile, trouble-free individuals and all the problems exist among us low-born unwashed coach passengers!
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RE: Airline Passengers Just Dont Learn

Sat Jan 03, 2004 1:50 am


Funny how 3 out of these 4 incidents happened on Northwest.....

 
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Sat Jan 03, 2004 1:50 am


Well, the passenger actually bought a coach ticket and was just upgraded to first! HA! HA! HA!
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RE: Airline Passengers Just Dont Learn

Sat Jan 03, 2004 2:13 am

Cactus:

How is it funny that 3 of these happend on NWA? I think it shows NWA crews are ready. It was just luck or lack of luck of the draw. I repsect your opinion. But I think were crews have to defend their passengers, well that just is not funny at all no matter whom it is on.

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RE: Airline Passengers Just Dont Learn

Sat Jan 03, 2004 2:25 am

Northwest Airlines: Some Terrorists just know who to fly.  Big grin

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RE: Airline Passengers Just Dont Learn

Sat Jan 03, 2004 3:05 am

When will these people learn, when I was flying out of Dallas I saw a guy try to bring a hammer and a screwdriver onto an American flight.

I hate it when those damn mechanics have to bring TOOLS on the plane to fix something  Big grin
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RE: Airline Passengers Just Dont Learn

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:01 am

The biggest jerk I ever saw was this tourist returning from Goa who had bought expired ship flares from the flea market, and was trying to take them onboard his flight as cabin baggage. While being taken away, he let go one.

I think he must be still locked up.

 
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RE: Airline Passengers Just Dont Learn

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:39 am

Mog:

The biggest jerk I ever saw was this tourist returning from Goa who had bought expired ship flares from the flea market, and was trying to take them onboard his flight as cabin baggage. While being taken away, he let go one.

I think he must be still locked up.


It never ceases to amaze me that in this day and age, after all the publicity about security, and all the news reports of people being unceremoniously dragged off airplanes for this kind of behavior, that people still continue to do it on a fairly regular basis.

The fellow with the ship flares should still be locked up. Ship flares are a new one for me.

 
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RE: Airline Passengers Just Dont Learn

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:47 am

I had a pax a few months ago on a Casablanca-Geneva flight, who brought a 10lt fuel container as cabin bagage. It went unnoticed by security in CMN, and guess what... it leaked halfway through the flight and started dripping from the overhead bins.
We had to divert to Malaga and the stupid guy was taken away by the police.
 
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RE: Airline Passengers Just Dont Learn

Sat Jan 03, 2004 4:52 am

When I was still in pax handling, once I had a young female Turkish passenger with a little baby. Because her carry on was cluttered up with metal her bag had to be hand searched. In it were lots of power tools, among them I recognized a Hilti bolt gun, the kind builders use to shoot hardened steel bolts into concrete, the security guard probably though it was a cordless drill. I stopped him and he made a deeper search and found the ammo going with this gun as well. She didn´t speak much German, the whole thing happened long before 9/11, and she told us that her husband and herself have bought a house in Turkey as a holiday / retirement home. Her husband was a builder and had several tools borrowed from his boss to improve the house over their vacations. She was leaving a few weeks earlier than himself to see their relatives in Turkey, because he couldn´t get leave yet and he would follow her two weeks later. She looked so scared and shocked, I think she was just genuinly ignorant about the rules.

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RE: Airline Passengers Just Dont Learn

Sat Jan 03, 2004 9:02 am

Folks, there's a difference here between deliberately trying to enter the cockpit, and accidently mistaking the lavatory for the cockpit. Do we know what really happened here?
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RE: Airline Passengers Just Dont Learn

Sat Jan 03, 2004 11:15 am

I suspect many of the passengers mentioned above were drunk and, in combination with the reduced oxygen, behaved more erratically than they would have at sea level. If alcohol were banned in flight, even (I shudder to say this) in first class, most of these violent behavior problems will go away.

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RE: Airline Passengers Just Dont Learn

Sat Jan 03, 2004 1:29 pm

Regarding the DTW-HNL incident, the US AG has issued statements saying that the pax was climbing over seats and stating that he wanted to land the aircraft. Plus, he was traveling on a one-way ticket with no luggage, which should have flagged security on his previous flight. There are questions over his mental state. It has been reported that he just disappeared on New Year's Eve. He also did not help his case by saying some strange things when he appeared in court today.
 
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RE: Airline Passengers Just Don't Learn

Sat Jan 03, 2004 3:18 pm

It ceases to amaze me that almost 18 months after 911 people still do what they want even if it is dangerous in a commercial airliner. I personally feel, that a lot of these pathetic souls will blame everyone and everything but themselves. "I'm afraid of flying." "I'm being picked on because I'm--------"
"I have a funky hormonal imbalance." And of course, many of these s@#$heads will sic some lawyer on the airline industry trying to say it is all the fault of the carrier. And, I feel, many people within the industry including security feel they have their hands tied because of fear of being politically incorrect and violating others civil rights. As long as we are at the mercy of trial lawyers and those holier than though pundits of political correctness I'm afraid this is not the last of these wacko jobs that bully and violate the vast majority of good decent people who utilize the commercial aviation system.

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