yegbey01
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MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sat Jan 03, 2004 2:04 pm

Here's the latest news:

CPH to BEY: 01:00 06:10 ME226 A330
BEY to CPH: 20:30 23:59 ME225 A330



Great news.. I wonder what Snowflake is planning to do now


 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sat Jan 03, 2004 3:00 pm

when is this happening?
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sat Jan 03, 2004 8:47 pm

I wonder what's the source of your news yegbey,I'm totally not up to date!
More info needed..

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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sat Jan 03, 2004 11:41 pm

Why are they staying 14 hours at CPH?? feels like a great waste to have a TA time of 14 hours.also it would be more likely that they use a 321 then a 330 on that route.
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sat Jan 03, 2004 11:48 pm

So that the flight and cabin crew meet minimum rest times.BA and AF do the same to Luanda where there is only 1 weekly flight.
 
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Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:38 am

Two flights a week starting in June. I think this is probably only for ths ummer season.

They will only stay one hour at CPH.. not 14 hours.

Flights leave BEY on Tuesdays and Saturdays at 8:30 PM and return Wed and Sundays at 1:00 AM and arrive in BEY just after 6:00 AM
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:59 am

Can somebody please tell what are MEA's planned destinations for 2004?
It certainly feels good to see MEA return to it's former glory.
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 1:00 am

my misstake ,
thought its said BEY to CPH on the first line
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 2:41 am

i'm starting to worry about MEA, with all this talk about Dakar, Copenhagen, Sao Paulo, Cotonou, Conakry, Libreville and Khartoum.
Is MEA management really ready for this?
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 2:47 am

Copenhagen should be no reason to worry about as the Snowflake flights of S04 sold out extremely fast and demand is apparently still skyhigh.
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 4:00 am

let's hope good thoughts, but changing all the flights around and introducing many new stations is not for the faint of heart.
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 4:09 am

The one interesting thing that I noticed with changing their schedules is that, they will have four flights from DXB to BEY with a 90 minute convenient connection with MEA's flights to West Africa.

The flights to West Africa depart at 2:05 in the morning currently, but they will be shcnged to 12:35 in the afernoon this spring/summer
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 4:29 am

MEA does big business between DXB and West Africa, but that is going to be challenged this month with 4 weekly LOS-DXB-ACC flights on EK. MEA won't be able to compete with that.
What they should do is get CPH flights to connect with DXB and other spots in the Gulf as there is no Gulf flights to CPH
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 4:43 am

The CPH flights will be seasonal. This is my guess!
While Snowflake will be operating year round.

I am not sure there's a big demand from Scandinavian countries to the Gulf or vice versa. Otherwise, you would have seen EK jump in there long time ago. The only service to Scandinavia from DXB was to ARN with Air Lanka (But that service was strictly for the ethnic community in Sweden). And it doesn't operate anymore.

What surprises me though is that MEA is planning to operate the A330. If there's this kind of demand, you wonder why they stopped the service in the first place. Also, with the A330's operating to CDG, LHR, DXB, CPH and the West African routes, it's pretty clear to me that any plans to expand service to GRU or even add West African routes look very grim. Where are the Aircraft to support such new service. But I am very optimistic noentheless

I still haven't seen the flights to DUS (which MEA operated last summer). But maybe, it'll show up ion the schedules soon.
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 5:04 am

the last time i looked at mea's website there were no flights logged for the summer anywhere. has that changed? where are these schedules listed?
i wouldn't be surprised if dus were dropped. there is little consistency at mea
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 5:09 am

You can't find those schedules on the MEA site yet.

 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 6:36 am

These new routes announcements are a little frightning as I haven't read or either seen on TV MEA's future plans.If MEA is to operate these new routes shouldn't they have placed an order by now?What if it's a lease from another airline??
YEGBEY,you still haven't mentioned the source of your information...!?

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Sun Jan 04, 2004 6:48 am

MEA310,

Here's one source that you can access.

Go to lufthansa.com and then go to timetable.

There you can check all schedules for only regulalry scheduled airlines. You will find the CPH flights there

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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 8:19 am

Found the flights in Amadeus as well
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 9:49 am

i found them, too.

IT APPEARS that ME), Brazil">MEA is adding these additional flights by re-adjusting their west african schedules.
currently, their 3 weekly flights to west africa arrive at about 0800 and don't leave until 0500 the next day - absurd! brand new a330s sitting on the ground 24 hours?

however, to address this, ME), Brazil">MEA - according to LH timetable - will operate 4 weekly flights to west africa in the summer with a 1-hour turnaround in abj - probably a common base to accomodate the crew. because the flights leave BEY at about 1230 and return about 0600 the next day, they have torn apart their DXB schedules to have flwg DXB skeds

ME426 1234567 BEYDXB 0845 1300
ME428 1-3-5-7 BEYDXB 2030 0045+1

ME429 12-4-6- DXBBEY 0845 1105
ME427 1234567 DXBBEY 1355 1615

there are PROBLEMS here, however.

[1] EK's 4 weekly ACC-LOS-DXB is going to kill ME), Brazil">MEA's position in the market, so why rip schedules apart to accomodate passengers who won't be there?

[2] BEYDXB at 0845? Flights will be empty,

[3] BEYDXB at 2030 will be empty as well. Currently ME), Brazil">MEA has BEYDXB flights at 1630 and EK at 2045, so ME), Brazil">MEA is able to hold its own with a distinct schedule with a much better arrival time. In the summer, ME & EK will depart at the same time with the same lousy arrival time in DXB - perfect to connect to EK's flights to everywhere, but lousy if you are actually going to DXB and want to connect business the next day.

[4] DXBBEY at 0845? Flights will be empty.

Only good improvement will be DXBBEY at 1355. If it left 1 hour earlier it would connect to the CDG flight, but hey! ME), Brazil">MEA doesn't need to improve its terrible loads, does it? (I am aware that EK and AF have daily DXBCDG nonstops, but a connection leaving at 1255 would be able to lure some passengers).

Ick! And then they are sending the planes to CPH? Another 1 hour turnaround there, more opportunities for delays!

Unless more planes are ordered and put on the line, there is no way DKR and GRU can be served - unless A330s are taken off CDG and LHR - both VERY profitable in the summer.
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 10:35 am

Back in November I posted a thread about Snowflake selling out on all of its flights in June 2004, from CPH to BEY. Since then, a few more dates have sold out, without any sign from Snowflake of adding additional service.

These flights that MEA is offering could be a jump on Snowflake for not adding the additional service. Very aggressive strategy! I could have seen it coming from either SK or MEA, so im glad that MEA made the move first.

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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 10:45 am

I also have news about MEA's fleet expansion. On my flight from BEY to LHR this morning I had a chat with the F/O in the front galley of the A330 before the flight. I asked him what new planes we can expect for MEA. He told me that first of all MEA is committed to Airbus, but limited to leases for the upcoming summer. He told me two A330-200s will be joining the fleet, in addition to two A321s. He then stuck his head into the cockpit to reconfirm the information from the captain!

Unfortunately the jumpseat was taken by a newly hired pilot! (I didn't even think they were hiring pilots).

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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 10:00 pm

Interesting news MEA321,and btw,hamdella al saleme!
Could the A340 option be 100% ruled out now with the news MEA321 brought in?Do you think 5 A330s will be able to cover properly the newly proposed routes,besides the current LHR,CDG,seasonal DUS???

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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 10:32 pm

The rumors about the A330s have been around for some time but the A321s are a surprise to me.

2 A330s and 2 A321s will give almost 50% increased capacity to MEA. Does this mean more routes will be anounced other than the ones already mentioned here?

 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 10:42 pm

If the weather complies, it should give some very nice night shots at CPH - though I'm a bit worried about the 1 hour turnaround, which isn't much for an A330. But then again, there's hardly any movement at those hours, so it wouldn't be too much of a hassle.

Call me a festival freak, but if CPH is landing on the 22's, there will be a good chance that the passengers of those flights will get a nice view of 50-60.000 people dancing & jumping around in a field Big grin (I've seen several aircrafts fly exceptionally low, compared to what they usually do, over Roskilde, where I live)
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Sun Jan 04, 2004 10:42 pm

AF022; MEA flights to West Africa and SAO are far better for customers in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Cyprus and Turkey than EK-flights which results in mileage/tariff problems for those customers. EK however caters for a big market in the Arabian Gulf area, a place where the commercial interests of the two companies of course DO overlap. Unless they fly on the same days, this however may not be so tragic after all.
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:50 am

MEA321,

Good to have you back here safe and sound. Great news about the possible addition of the A330s and the A321s. Although, I had hoped and still do for smaller aircraft (A319 or even A318) to start new routes that don't require a lot of seats.


At any rate, the way I see it is this, MEA is obviouly juggling their schedules and until it's finallized, let's not jump into any conslusions.


AF022, I disagree that the DXB flights will be empty. True that they won;t be able to get connecting passengers on them, but keep in mind, it's the summer season. People will fly anytime as long as they can get a seat.

in terms of competing with EK on the West african destinations. Why not, MEA has a good product and they will do well. As it is, there's enough demand for O&D passengers anyway, so whatever extra passengers they can get, will be just gravy.

In terms of the 1 hour layover, that might be oushing it a little, but come on... at 12:00 AM at CPH, there should be no prblem and that should hold true for the West African flights as well.
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Mon Jan 05, 2004 4:11 am

A question I have here:

Where do all the CPH pax come from??? As far as I know, there are only few Lebanese in Scandinavia, at least not enough to fully book all those flights in the summer. Could it be that those are people that reside elsewhere and just use CPH as a transit point? But then, is the transfer between SAS mainline and Snowflake the same as between SAS mainline flights? I mean, it defies the classical concept of a LCC (which Snowflake pretends to be) to offer connections.

In any case, if all those pax connect from elsewhere, would MEA really pick up that much of the traffic? Typically people going through CPH would remain on SAS and its partners rather than interline from SAS/Star to MEA, right?

In any case, I wish MEA all the best on the new route.

 
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Mon Jan 05, 2004 4:28 am

It may well be that MEA may have sold some tickets in advanace to tour operators.
The flights will not offer any real connections since they arrive in CPH at 12:00 AM.

This is my only explanation
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Mon Jan 05, 2004 4:45 am

MEA and Copenhagen is my area of excitement, moreso than Canada or America since I was born and raised in Copenhagen. Knowing the communities there, I would say that MEA could definitely fill up an A330 at least twice a week. The pax would not be just Lebanese, there are many Syrians, Palestinians, and others living in the Copenhagen area. One summer I flew with AF to Beirut from CPH. The flight from CPH to CDG was on an A320, at least three quarters of the plane was connecting on the flight to BEY with me.

Snowflake, as I said before, sold out a lot of its flights, there is definitely a demand. Scandinavians love to explore new and exotic places. Look at how full the SK flights from CPH to Southeast Asia are! These are not just business pax, these are tourists who are looking for new places to explore.

Lebanon is starting to become a tourism hot spot again. There is tons to see and do there. That is why it is becoming feasible market for both the MEA, and other international carriers to serve BEY.

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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Mon Jan 05, 2004 6:42 am

i'm still worried about the new BEYDXB times - a daily 0845 schedule? and less than daily evening? people (wisely) want to stay in BEY for as long as possible.

and if ME were competing against some terrible airline LOS-DXB that would be one thing, but how many people currently connecting in BEY or ADD or NBO are going to think that EK is an airline to avoid?

kiss that traffic goodbye.

ME doesn't offer good connections from any of the points mentioed - IST, LCA, DAM, CAI, AMM - to LOS, so they won't lose what they don't have. Does anyone really fly IST-BEY-LOS? Je crois que non.
 
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Mon Jan 05, 2004 7:01 am

AF022,

I disagree again. MEA will be able to fill the seats.

What I would be worried about though, is how would MEA join Skyteam with this schedule that doesn't permit for any connections at all.
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Mon Jan 05, 2004 7:06 am

I think that MEA will also be able to pick up people who would otherwise spend a day in, say, Paris or London. If they play their cards right and add the right marketing for Beirut as a city (I'm afraid some, if not most, people think of a ruined city when they hear the name) in development.

Think about it - take the friday night flight and then you have around 10-12 hours to explore the city before taking the evening flight back.

Of course, that's if it goes daily (which I doubt).
 
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Mon Jan 05, 2004 7:18 am

high revenue business is not going to want to spend a day anywhere. they want to get home as soon as possible.

flights may be fillable in the summer, but what happens when NOV rolls around again? still daily 0845 BEYDXB flights?
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Mon Jan 05, 2004 7:53 am

Everyone seems to be overlooking the fact that MEA is still in the process of growing and developing into a major airline in its region.

I am comfortably sure that MEA and its fine management is in the process of making sure that their flights fit the bill for both tourists and business travelers alike.

AF022, MEA's flights to DXB depart in the afternoon not at 0845...
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Mon Jan 05, 2004 9:55 am

MEA321,

The summer schedules will be such that MEA flights to DXB leave at 8:45 in the morning daily in addition, 4 flights a week will leave BEY at 20:30 in the evening
 
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Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:35 am

I am comfortably sure that MEA and its fine management is in the process of making sure that their flights fit the bill for both tourists and business travelers alike.

MEA321 - are you part of that fine management? Big grin
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Wed Jan 07, 2004 10:51 am

MEA does big business between DXB and West Africa

MEA's West African routes serve the large Lebanese community and that's it. They are not meant to compete with Emirates or provide connections. MEA adjusts its West African schedule every summer for increased capacity due to higher demand.

Also whoever thinks MEA will not be able to fill up the DXB-BEY flights really knows nothing. I'm not trying to be mean, but DXB-BEY is MEA's 2nd most popular route after CDG.

DXB gets fully booked minimum 3-weeks in advance. Morning is a convenient time, Emirates shifted several of its DXB-BEY flights to morning (around 9-10AM).

As has been mentioned before, DXB-BEY is purely an O&D route. Demand between Dubai and Lebanon is tremendously high. My uncle flies this route every couple months and most of the time is forced to fly Emirates because he can never find any available seats on MEA.

MEA is following Emirates by rescheduling the DXB flights to daily morning flights and 4x weekly afternoon flights.

The CPH flights are only seasonal. The last flight is September 4.

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Wed Jan 07, 2004 12:55 pm

so we agree to disagree?

the ONLY reason it appears MEA changed the DXB flights was to connect to/from West Africa. DXB is VERY IMPORTANT for LOS flights, no two ways about it. Most all flights to the Gulf depart BEY 1600-1715 and return to bey 2300-2359. Now DXB won't be part of that game? Why change DXB flights unless they wanted to insure continued connections to LOS.

My partner's mother travels LOS-BEY-DXB FREQUENTLY, and the flight is crammed full of Nigerians going to DXB.
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Wed Jan 07, 2004 4:54 pm

Will operate seasonal nonstop service from Beirut to Copenhagen from 01Jun04. The weekly services will operate on Tue & Sat with an A330-200 through 04Sep04.
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Wed Jan 07, 2004 11:25 pm

Copenhagen attracts many airlines because it is the major Scandinavian hub and an important North-European hub. Most Scandinavians (20 millions) use Copenhagen via Scandinavian Airlines (SAS) or other airlines to get to their final destination.

There should be a market for MEA in CPH, also knowing that thousands of people from the Middle East have found their new homes in Scandinavia.
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:03 am

I wish this new CPH service was year-round rather than just summer seasonal.

Although I don't think this route could sustain 2x weekly A330 throughout the rest of the year, an A321 operating at 2x weekly would be perfect.

Too bad. Oh well

It seems like the rumored aircraft that MEA will be leasing will only be for the summer season? If so, then they probably won't be in full MEA colors, but in a hybrid paintscheme.

Regards
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Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:13 am

If they lease new aircarft, (which they will by the looks of it), what will happen to this "youngest fleet in the world" thing?

If they buy the planes on the other hand, what will they do with them during the winter. As you know, winter is summer in Australia, and typically many folks return home during that time from Sydney, but we all know that MEA can not go back to Sydney right now.


That is the dilemma, that the MEA management is probably facing. Summer vs. Winter.

Winter demand to BEY is very weak!!
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:19 am

Winter demand to BEY is very weak!!

While it is the weakest in the winter, I was surprised. It's picked up. If Lebanon promotes winter tourism more, that should help improve it more.

About the fleet, if they order brand new planes from Airbus. The earliest they will be able to get any of them is in mid-2005.

If they lease used planes, they will have to forget about the youngest fleet in the world thing.

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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:44 am

how about sending winter aircraft to SSH, bringing europeans to the beaches of Egypt?

CPH could probably work year-round if arrival at CPH weren't at MIDNIGHT! can't connect out of CPH to rest of scandinavia at that hour.
 
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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:51 am

That's what I once mentioned in the thread about serving GRU;if the planes are not to be bought or even leased brand new,then what will happen to the "youngest fleet in the world" & all of the services that comes with that(AVOD..)Not sure about that,could they have ordered some planes without making public?But why would they do such a thing?!

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RE: MEA.... Back To CPH Finally

Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:56 am

i used to work a lot in Brazil and the government would regularly have these big brouhahas with other countries promising all sorts of cooperation blah blah blah. everyone at varig used to be in a frenzy about new flights here and there, and it turned into nothing. don't get your hopes up based on the brazilian government.

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